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Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing some absurd stuff after getting laid off?

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I am happy with my current employer but I always liked Paul Graham's idea of not having a boss[0]. I had read it quite a while back but here's the gist of it: Paul mentions that we work best when we work in a group of 8-20 people in a flat structure like our hunter gatherer ancestors use to do. Each member have their own roles and responsibilities and each individual contributes the well being and future security of…

Even in a company of 1000s, how many people are you actually interacting with on a daily basis?

In the PG blog he says:

  A group of 10 people within a large organization is a kind of fake tribe. The number of people you interact with is about right. But something is missing: individual initiative.
But even in a "true" small tribe, is there individual initiative? You are still beholden to someone or something. If you're the alpha male you may still worry about feeding the family or protecting them from outside threats.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing some absurd stuff after getting laid off?

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Kim Stanley Robinson's 1990 book "Pacific Edge" (part of the California Trilogy) he envisions a utopian future where company sizes are legally limited to stop the formation of huge, multi-national corporations so that control and profits stay in the local community. I forget the exact number and some quick Googling doesn't help. I remember being really inspired by the book though.

I think corporate income tax should scale with headcount ^ 0.8

Not sure that will be enough to cover the welfare for all the unemployed. It'd make a nice experiment...

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing some absurd stuff after getting laid off?

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I am happy with my current employer but I always liked Paul Graham's idea of not having a boss[0]. I had read it quite a while back but here's the gist of it: Paul mentions that we work best when we work in a group of 8-20 people in a flat structure like our hunter gatherer ancestors use to do. Each member have their own roles and responsibilities and each individual contributes the well being and future security of…

> 8-20 people in a flat structure like our hunter gatherer ancestors use to do Citation needed. Even wolf packs have alphas, as I understand "hunter gatherer" societies were even less flat, if you disobeyed the leader you had your head chopped off.

One thing I remember from my degree in cultural anthropology is that there's not much you can generalize about hunter gatherer societies. At least some of them were quite egalitarian.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing some absurd stuff after getting laid off?

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I'm going to finally try to start my own company. Will it be a "startup"? I don't know. But it will be technical and it will go from 0-1 (or from 0-0). After years of lurking here, watching on the sidelines, working for larger companies, having kids, buying a house, I'm finally going to take the dive. I'm excited, nervous, lost, all at the same time. But I have enough savings and an accommodating spouse, so I don't h…

DM you how? What's your twitter handle?

Meh guys, it took 5 minutes just out of curiosity: https://github.com/thewopr

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing some absurd stuff after getting laid off?

#55

I don’t need my employer to care about me. I have a family and friends for that. At work, it’s a business transaction. I provide them with value and I’m compensated with money. I increase the value I provide and I can demand more.

One doesn't need that, but one certainly wants that. Value is not just what you create directly but also indrectly (such as rising moral in the company, attracting people etc.).

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing some absurd stuff after getting laid off?

#56
I'm proud to say I am taking some time to work on cool stuff! It's definitely in the "I should start coding and stop brainstorming" phase, but I've been enjoying all the theorycrafting.

I'm creating a web-first colony simulation game. I'm inspired by SimAnt, RimWorld, idleRPG, and Tamagotchi. My goal is to establish a strong, daily, mental health hygiene routine which promotes box breathing, gratitude journaling, and improved awareness of my health, fatigue, and motivation.

The game unfolds on an alien world covered in a thick sea of fog and asteroid impact craters. Huge fog waves roam the planet, splash against the crater walls, and continually intrude with frigid moisture. A damaged terraforming satellite orbits the planet and directs its limited energy towards one crater which keeps that crater habitable. There are three entities in the story: an AI powering the terraforming satellite, the consciousness of a biologist uploaded into the satellite's computer, and a fledgling ant colony within the barely habitable crater. The player fills the role of the protagonist, the biologist, and the hostile weather plays the role of the antagonist. The goal is to terraform the planet without throwing it out of balance.

The ant colony simulation runs on ~autopilot similar to idleRPG but with slowly unfolding visuals like 1x speed RimWorld. It's a real-time simulation which "runs" even when the tab is closed, but is only able to be controlled when the satellite orbits overhead and has line-of-sight with the crater. The queen hatches workers, workers expand the nest, navigate the fog, and search for food. The ants lay pheromone trails to food, but every night the fog rolls in and wipes clean the pheromones. Each day the ants begin searching for food once more. The colony grows optimally given available information, but is not omniscient or even opinionated. The colony will never push itself out of the local maximum of a single crater and struggles with attention due to the fog. Surprisingly, during initial nest expansion, the ants discover a rectifying crystal which allows them to sense electromagnetic waves emitted by the satellite. They develop a ritual around attempting to interpret these electrical impulses which provides a very rough form of of one-way communication from the satellite to the ants. The biologist leverages this communicational channel to assist the colony by providing high-level environmental awareness and opinionated responses.

Each day, the player is asked to show up and check-in at a consistent time. The player wants to be able to nurture their colony, but they need to unlock the ability to do so. They begin by engaging with a guided, box-breathing routine while "awakening" the consciousness of the biologist. It's effortful for the biologist to take autonomy from the terraforming AI in the same way waking up is effortful and so the player is guided through that process. Then, the player is greeted with a technophilic UI which provides in-depth stats and charts of their colony and the planet. Based on current and projected resources, the user makes a decision to encourage the colony to push harder or to ease up. This influences whether the colony will push out of a local maximum, but comes at the cost of damaging the health of the ants. The player needs to balance pushing the colony to expand into additional land with tapering their exertion to avoid long-term negative effects. Finally, the player is given an opportunity to self-reflect and journal on the goals and progress of the ants. Gratitude journaling provides a means of keeping attention on high-value food resources such that the ants don't lose track entirely due to the fog. Non-gratitude journaling (i.e. venting, daily reflections) provide a source of entropy for the weather system of the world.

Outside of check-in time, the player is only able to watch their high-level decisions slowly play out over the course of the day. The interface is calming and provides an opportunity for brief respite similar to taking a moment to observe an aquarium.

Overall, I am building software to help me be more consistent and diligent in my personal growth and mental health hygiene. Sometimes when I get depressed I stop caring for myself, but I'm always good about showing up for others. I want to leverage that to promote self-care. Conversely, when I'm firing on all-cylinders, I tend to think my motivation and determination are limitless. I take on significant personal growth goals only to eventually reach a mental breaking point because I never identify a good time to push less hard until forced. So, I would benefit from a visual indication of where I am at on a motivation/determination boom/bust cycle so that I don't find myself surprised by burnout.

I've never really responded well to software that implies I have problems which need fixing. Instead, I do much better when someone tells me a story, I contrast that story to my own, and I succeed in identifying personal growth areas through the reflection. Instead of creating "yet another mental health / journaling app" I am interested in telling a compelling, sci-fi story where the protagonist struggles to succeed in their goals due to a failure to acknowledge their humanity. I believe telling this story, while providing tools to participate and a pet to stay attached, is likely to instill long-term changes in those who engage.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing some absurd stuff after getting laid off?

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Love this question! My husband was laid off recently and it feels like his free time instead has been accosted by our young children and house renovation:/ Related note, I came across this newsletter which goes into more detail about our “work” identity and how your employer doesn’t (to your point!) “care about you” ( https://wokescientist.substack.com/p/work-life-balance-is-a-... )

“Instead” of what? Is his true calling house renovations and childcare? If not, then it’s probably a choice that is being made for him. Personally, I love my babies and I consider it worth my time for basic care and teaching them things, but only as much as it benefits them. For the house renovations and all other labor that goes into partner-driven life, I would be much happier living in a mud hut with a candle and…

> then it’s probably a choice that is being made for him

It's pretty poor behaviour to make massive assumptions about and be judgmental of someone else's marriage

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing some absurd stuff after getting laid off?

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This is very extreme take but imagine if companies are capped at 20-50 employees. Will it work? I think it will. What do you guys think? I don't think. I cannot imagine companies doing GPU, CPUs, Windows, etc. with just 20-50ppl.

Well you'd have to imagine a lot more collaboration between companies, so say company A just markets CPUs in the US nothing else, while company B works on just shipping logistics (to stores which handle the actual delivery to end customers). I think the real problem is that so many boundaries between disciplines make novel collaboration strategies between the parts much harder. It's difficult for say a marketing pers…

I don't see how those small companies would make money

Some of those businesses arent really viable, meanwhile other are really good

I don't see it working with them not being together, working as teams under one budget, so just as normal company.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone doing some absurd stuff after getting laid off?

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Love this question! My husband was laid off recently and it feels like his free time instead has been accosted by our young children and house renovation:/ Related note, I came across this newsletter which goes into more detail about our “work” identity and how your employer doesn’t (to your point!) “care about you” ( https://wokescientist.substack.com/p/work-life-balance-is-a-... )

Why the :/ ? Spending time with young children and renovating a house sounds like a smart choice. The time with children you will never be able to make up for later. Renovating a house is full of interesting challenges and rewards that are all to yourself.

Chores, house projects and childcare are all productive work. As seen here, no outsiders will ever gainsay you for doing them. Pretty much the only person to criticise that approach will be a spouse.

Romantic partners usually wish for more time to spend together, deepening the relationship or just hanging out.

This isn't productive per se, but it's natural that your life partner would like to actually live a life with you and not see you checking off tasks at home.

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