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Ask HN: Are companies becoming increasingly pushy? If so why?

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Re: Ask HN: Are companies becoming increasingly pushy? If so why?

#51
I mean it’s the Walmart model; be cheap early, get less cheap over time.

My 5,000 foot philosophical take is because they were never making money in a day to day business way and relying on low interest rates to inflate values through money shuffling schemes to game attention.

Over time models made it apparent they would never make long term business sense as software improved and automation took over, so it’s a medium term pump and dump jobs program fueled by low interest rates to attract information workers into providing them code shapes to train AI that writes code and let big tech own all the copyrights.

So we’ll have MPAA/RIAA owning all art, and FAANG or whatever owning all technology. A modern patronage system kind of sort of.

Not saying it’s good or bad. Just an attempt at a meta viewpoint of society.

Re: Ask HN: Are companies becoming increasingly pushy? If so why?

#52
I definitely get the sense that it's getting worse. It's very hard to visit a site without getting a popup to subscribe, purchase, or donate. Apps are constantly pushing you to subscribe or create an account.

I wonder what the end game is for all of this. Is this just the way things are going to be from now on? Is the pushiness going to die down a little bit?

It certainly makes me want to visit sites less. If there's any friction now on a site, such as a pop up requiring sign in, I simply don't have the patience to try it out and more often than not just close the tab. It makes my experience of reading dead-tree books and magazines such a joy nowadays. I know I can flip the page without anything popping up.

Re: Ask HN: Are companies becoming increasingly pushy? If so why?

#53
Substack in particular seems to have pulled a bait-and-switch in terms of strategy. Their original line was "Each newsletter is a separate publisher and separate business and we're just a platform. You can take your list and leave at any time." But in the last months they've been rolling out feature after feature designed to bind publishers and readers tightly to Substack as a brand: A reader app, app-only chat, checkmark-badges for high-sellers, semi-mysterious (algorithmic?) promotion features for driving subscriptions, etc.

At this point it seems like actual email newsletters are kind of a nuisance to them, and they're trying to be more Medium than Medium.

Re: Ask HN: Are companies becoming increasingly pushy? If so why?

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post #13

> LinkedIn yeah, I basically just stopped using the site. I used it for a while when job hunting, but now I maybe login once a week or something. otherwise, since the site blocks anonymous use, I simply don't use it. > Instagram I have an account, but I don't post or comment, so I am not going to log in just to view shit. So I basically don't use the site anymore. If someone links to a post I will check it out, but u…

For twitter, I highly recommend nitter.net (or other nitter instances) for anonymous reading. You can drop-in-replace the `twitter.com` with `nitter.net` for any twitter URL, and it will just work. At least... this will work until Elon kills the API, which I fully expect to happen eventually...

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Re: Ask HN: Are companies becoming increasingly pushy? If so why?

#55
post #10

Agree. There's a bunch of websites I don't visit anymore: Pinterest (you need an account just to browse pictures? c'mon!), Reddit (some subreddits are only available via the app... I'll never install the Reddit app), Instagram, Medium, Twitter, lots of newspapers. I thought I was going to miss them, but I haven't.

I miss Medium. I do find myself clicking on search results that lead to Medium posts, then immediately clicking 'back'.

It makes me feel a little sad every time I don't look at something there. There are a lot of Medium posts written by people that clearly thought (or think) that they're writing a blog that's available to all, when they're not.

Re: Ask HN: Are companies becoming increasingly pushy? If so why?

#56
The reason is simple: These companies are ad-supported. When you create an account and log in, the ads they show can be better tailored to your interests. This is especially true for companies like Pinterest, where users catalog their interests on the site.

I think this is surprising to people for two reasons:

1 - We've been told the "companies sell your data" narrative for so long that many people don't realize that Facebook and similar mega companies don't actually profit from selling your data. They target ads, and they keep their customer data close because it's their competitive advantage. Note that there are a lot of companies that do sell your data, but they're not the ones people generally think about (Facebook, etc.). It's a fundamental misunderstanding of these business models.

2 - The whole economy was unusually hot for many years, largely due to low interest rates. Funding was available everywhere in huge quantities, which drove tech companies into pure growth mode even if serving their websites came at a loss. That story doesn't work forever, though, and now we're seeing those companies turn the knobs to look for profits.

It's actually kind of amazing that we've been able to use gigantic Big Tech services, developed and operated by engineers making $$$ total compensation, for so long without actually paying for much at all. I wonder if we'll look back at this era as an unusually 'free' period of the internet, much like how we look back at the early days of VC-subsidized Uber as being very cheap relative to what it actually costs to buy these services today.

Re: Ask HN: Are companies becoming increasingly pushy? If so why?

#57
This is what people mean when they about "Late Stage Capitalism":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_capitalism

Yes, this trend is increasing. And it's essentially a long-term consequence of the laissez-faire capitalist model of attempting to govern almost entirely via the profit motive. It strongly incentivises businesses to prioritise profits at all costs (and those who don't will be outcompeted by those who do). And while most businesses will prioritise value-generating activities in their attempt to generate profit, eventually that isn't enough and so they turn to aggressive user/consumer hostile approaches.

Can we do something about this? Yes, we can regulate and heavily penalise companies who do this. We can also bias the economy towards smaller companies (through progressive taxation on businesses) who are much less likely to engage in such activities as they tend to be more connected to their customer bases and subject to much stronger competitive pressures.

Re: Ask HN: Are companies becoming increasingly pushy? If so why?

#58
post #40

On Instagram, when you create an account, you now need to submit a selfie picture while holding a code given to you while registering. For suspicious account, it can even be a video selfie. I know bots are an issue but they should ask for this only when posting/commenting, not for browsing. No way I'll send a picture or video to facebook linked to my email/phone number.

Sounds like an interesting stable diffusion prompt.

Re: Ask HN: Are companies becoming increasingly pushy? If so why?

#60

Twitter recently removed the login prompt[1], so at least one website is now slightly less pushy. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33724569

Does that work consistently for anyone else? I don't have a Twitter account but there are a couple of Twitter posters I occasionally check on - and I'm still seeing the "See more Tweets from ..." modal at times (I just verified it now).

I tried in Chrome Incognito mode and I have yet to encounter a popup, but I only sampled a few persons and only scrolled for a few minutes, so I am not sure if they only reduced the threshold or if it's not yet rolled out everywhere.
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