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Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environment initiative?

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Re: Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environment initiative?

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It's because the whole climate thing is a ruse to scare us into cbdc/surveillance/control. Yes there's climate change, Yes there's human influence to it. And well sure as hell adapt to this slow moving challenge.

It's either a ruse or we will adapt. Can't be both.

Re: Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environment initiative?

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What makes you so sure that commuting is more environmentally harmful than datacenters full of hardware and the construction and transport of said hardware and mining of raw materials for the hardware? Additionally, lack of commuting incentivizes un-environmental and inefficient suburban sprawl. I am not saying that's the case, but I don't buy that it's a strictly pro-environment win a-priori. If anything commuting i…

I don't know about you but we still use the internet/zoom etc. in the office so you still need datacenters >lack of commuting incentivizes un-environmental and inefficient suburban sprawl I dont understand this point, IMO commuting leads to more suburban sprawl? Also i think this is a very USA-centric problem.

This may not be universally true, but voice-only makes a difference, too.

Audio is very low bandwidth, but for work it is usually more than adequate. Screenshare, where important, is mostly just a matter of providing small diffs over time, it's usually much cheaper both to encode/decode than normal video streaming. You can also run it point to point in smaller calls, which means fewer hops and datacenters (more routers, perhaps, but you were going to need them anyway)

Re: Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environment initiative?

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Similarly, I often wonder why cities don’t promote local telecommuting over building expensive public transportation infrastructure. Building one kilometre of subway costs anywhere from around $100 million to $1.6 billion ( https://marroninstitute.nyu.edu/events/how-much-does-it-cost... ), and then requires subsidies to run. Why not use this money to provide incentives for people to telecommute? And while some might…

Not all jobs can be done by telecommuting. It's a great solution for office work, but it doesn't work so well for manufacturing, retail or the service industry. > most public transit currently doesn’t serve those people well because it’s focused on work-related commuting patterns. Does it? Work-related travel is mostly during morning and late afternoon, but public transit also runs outside those hours. In my experien…

> the claim that public transit only really serves commuters is not universally true.

It is always partially true, but each city is different. People who travel in the very early hours (like 2:30am) always have problems, (even the best cities run reduced and thus inconvenient service for maintenance reasons, most give up on transit completely). While those hours are not common it is safe to bet everyone reading this has had reason to travel at those times at least one night in their life.

In far too many cities, (and not just in the US) additional service is run during the peaks. By additional service I mean they run more buses/trains as opposed something with more seats (that is longer). This means people who travel at non-peak hours have to be careful about when they travel to ensure there is service without waiting. Of course if the wait is still less than 5 minutes nobody cares, but as waits get longer - humans don't have time for that.

Re: Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environment initiative?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that € 500 for just the working hours? Because homes are also generally heated for other uses than work. Those reasons don't go away if you work at the office. If you've got a spouse working from home, or kids coming from school, that house is going to be heated anyway.

> Because homes are also generally heated for other uses than work I've never heard of anyone heating their home when not in it, given the other comments it seems like it's the norm, weird

We lower the heat if nobody is home. But, that's the difference between 70* and 65*. With no heat, the house would eventually be 32* in the dead or winter.

And we only do that because smart thermostats exist and use our phones as presence sensors. Without that, we'd have to manually lower the heat and I doubt we'd bother/remember.

Re: Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environment initiative?

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I don’t understand who the advertisements are meant to reach as their audience? The companies? They care about profit not the environment. The employees? They are either already sold on remote work or don’t like remote work. Whose mind is changed by being told the environmental benefits of remote work?

The companies? they care about their ESG image. "We support green, remote work" would be a nice touch

The employees? Isn't that the whole point of the "corporate culture" BS?

- The mind of those people who can't live without the daily commute to office

Re: Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environment initiative?

#56
post #26

I live in a small apartment a short train ride from the office. It isn't big enough to work from home. If I worked from home I'd get a big house in the suburbs, and buy a car to get around. My environmental footprint would be much bigger. Edit - if I didn't have kids I'd totally have a beach house and a mountain house to live in. Maybe in different countries too.

There must be ample apartments near train stops that take you to all the jobs so you’re right.

Re: Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environment initiative?

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post #34
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that € 500 for just the working hours? Because homes are also generally heated for other uses than work. Those reasons don't go away if you work at the office. If you've got a spouse working from home, or kids coming from school, that house is going to be heated anyway.

> Because homes are also generally heated for other uses than work I've never heard of anyone heating their home when not in it, given the other comments it seems like it's the norm, weird

I certainly wouldn't heat your home when nobody is home, but most people do return home after a day at the office, and many people don't live alone. That's what I'm referring to.

Or do you demand that they live in the cold while you're at the office?

Re: Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environment initiative?

#59
Because most of workers have not enough pro-ability to adapt a remote working environment. More details, to work remotely efficiently, you need to:

- Have good writing skills, because communication is asynchronous most of the time.

- Task description needs to be as clear as possible ! You don't want to spend most of time to explain what the specification means.

- Self-management and time management: How to do things concurrently without less help as possible from others ?

Re: Ask HN: Why isn't remote work advertised as a pro environment initiative?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

500 individual houses would be heated anyway.

Why would you heat a house if you're not in it. Do people really do that ?

Pets. Other family members. Plus the fact that you're "daytime" heating/cooling a home from 6:30-8:30 am and 3:30-10 pm anyway, and that modern or updated homes keep their temperature for several hours. So the debate is really over a few degrees for a couple of extra hours (Vs. heating an entire other building that may not otherwise exist).

I know at our workplace heating on Monday mornings has to start several hours earlier than on Tuesday because the office lost almost all of its built-up heat from the previous Friday. I also know that they continue to run the heating on holiday-Fridays/Mondays because if they don't by the following Monday/Tuesday, the temperature will drop too low and could damage equipment.

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