Ask HN: Erlang and the telecom market • Hacker News Board

Re: Ask HN: Erlang and the telecom market

#51

Post by Fantarina » Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 6:06 AM UTC

nivertech wrote: post #35

res0nat0r wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this comment actually unintentionally is reinforcing his point. Other programming languages than Erlang exist for a reason, they're not just fun toy languages for low IQ folks. There are tons of reasons why Erlang may not be a good fit for some project, and one of these other lesser languages would be a better fit, and he doesn't want to work with people who wouldn't even consider something like that.

Two possibilities here: 1. either the person who asked this question doesn't understand that most of the utility in this ecosystem comes from the BEAM VM, the OTP, and the community around them, not just from the Erlang-the-programming-language. 2. or he/she employs the sunk cost fallacy here: I already invested time into learning Erlang and its Prolog-inspired syntax, so "screw Elixir". Disclaimer: I mistakenly avoi…

Yeah it's the point 2 , I guess but I really tried to get into Elixir but I really don't like its syntax

Re: Ask HN: Erlang and the telecom market

#52

Post by Fantarina » Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 6:11 AM UTC

weatherlight wrote: post #4

> screw Elixir by the way Not the attitude I'd be hiring for honestly.

Yeah, the effects are not going as what I wanted I was just trying to focus the talks on the Erlang language because I'm already aware of the success and opportunities of the Elixir language.

Re: Ask HN: Erlang and the telecom market

#53

Post by Fantarina » Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 6:23 AM UTC

rubyn00bie wrote: post #14

> screw Elixir by the way This is 100% what is keeping you from getting hired. Folks who use BEAM don’t care if someone is using Erlang or Elixir or LFE or whatever… we care about the problems. This is why we are all on BEAM to begin with. Your immaturity shows you lack the experience to meaningfully understand this. You’re still obsessing with the superficial instead of the problem. Almost everywhere using BEAM is g…

That's exactly why I added the last part : to focus the discussion on Erlang and not the BEAM. I also would never want to work with you. If you read the first part carefully I'm indeed lacking experience and I was asking a question about the erlang jobs market and what's in use in the telecom industry

Re: Ask HN: Erlang and the telecom market

#54

Post by bjourne » Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 12:26 PM UTC

Demand for Erlang is non-existant even within Ericsson and that's the company that invented the language.

Re: Ask HN: Erlang and the telecom market

#55

Post by bjourne » Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 12:41 PM UTC

robertkeizer wrote: post #11

By not using the word Telecom. Discord, fintech, and sportsbetting also use BEAM pretty heavily. Also 100% would avoid hiring you with the elixir comment.

This is false. Companies may claim to use Erlang in marketing materials, but when you get into them you see that their Erlang use is miniscule. Almost no one uses Erlang for greenfield developments.

Re: Ask HN: Erlang and the telecom market

#56

Post by stanpinte » Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 2:51 PM UTC

@fantarina If you look for a job, can you please send me your CV? we use Erlang. https://www.thesignallingcompany.com/

Stan@thesignallingcompany.com

Re: Ask HN: Erlang and the telecom market

#57

Post by ethanwillis » Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 8:33 PM UTC

weatherlight wrote: post #7

ethanwillis wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd first ask them why they hold the opinion. You might be surprised by the reasoning they have for saying this. Having strong opinions isn't necessarily a bad thing.

You could say, "I don't want to work for a company using other languages on the BEAM VM" or "I considered Elixir and I don't like it because of X" It just seems completely out of context and aggressive. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The fact that it's out of context and the tone is so different is what made me take it as not so serious and just a playful jab at Elixir.

I think the interpretation everyone seems to be taking (which is surprising to me personally!) is such that it's like Elon requiring people to put "Parody" in their name.

Re: Ask HN: Erlang and the telecom market

#58

Post by gregors » Mon, Nov 21, 2022, 8:43 PM UTC

onebot wrote: post #13

This is the problem I have with Erlang developers. They only want to work on Erlang. Pragmatism be damned. It is never about the product or the company. It is only about which of the remaining 20 Erlang expert personalities in the world do they get to work alongside with. If there needs to be a special library, all other existing ones are garbage unless written by one of the 20 above, so they will just write their ow…

Or let's say you take a job writing Go and they switch to Erlang? I'm curious how you would react?

Re: Ask HN: Erlang and the telecom market

#59

Post by gregors » Mon, Nov 21, 2022, 8:47 PM UTC

bjourne wrote: post #55

robertkeizer wrote: post #11

By not using the word Telecom. Discord, fintech, and sportsbetting also use BEAM pretty heavily. Also 100% would avoid hiring you with the elixir comment.

This is false. Companies may claim to use Erlang in marketing materials, but when you get into them you see that their Erlang use is miniscule. Almost no one uses Erlang for greenfield developments.

They said BEAM, not Erlang. There is PLENTY of greenfield BEAM going on through Elixir.