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Re: Ask HN: Which boring technology do you still use?

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Button phones + laptop instead of sensor phone for everything. Cash instead of banks (cryptocurrency is an exception). Email + forums + IRC (sometimes) instead of Telegram or similar. Arc lamps instead of LED if it is possible. Singlespeed bicycle instead of ones with gears. 3-way stereo with paper diffusors and class-A amplifier instead of wide-band 1-way with plastic diffusor and class-D amplifier. And listening to…

> Arc lamps instead of LED if it is possible. What's the advantage of Arc lamps over LED?

Not a gp, but my eyes can’t stand some LEDs. I don’t know the exact physics of it, but sometimes even a reflected/diffused LED light feels like I’m looking into a laser beam. Colors are also very off, like in a ~chroma fog that isn’t there. Other people don’t notice anything strange. I’d appreciate if someone explained why, because I’m a regular trichromat with no obvious vision deviations otherwise.

Re: Ask HN: Which boring technology do you still use?

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django, I think that is the perfect tool to build MVP

Django is not boring

Django is mature, stable, and battle tested without using flashy new tech. Django IS boring, but that's another one of its features.

(personal opinion, not an official Django statement)

Re: Ask HN: Which boring technology do you still use?

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django, I think that is the perfect tool to build MVP

Could not agree more. Sure, full stack JS might be nice and fancy but sometimes good old web technologies do the job.

It feels strange to hear of Django being a "good old web technology". I remember when it was released, felt super fresh (still does!) and upended the status quo. Hard to believe that is nearing 20 years ago now.

Re: Ask HN: Which boring technology do you still use?

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RSS IMAP Bittorrent I lost my mojo for brand new technologies and frameworks and languages, and I can't ignore the amount of energy and resources that new shiny tech requires, so I stick to low-tech, proven stuff that has been there for eons and will be there for eons, as much as I can.

what is the replacement for IMAP if you are not using the browser version?

As far as i can remember, any email client i ever set up with outlook/gmail/gsuite eventually is set up using IMAP

Re: Ask HN: Which boring technology do you still use?

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A wood-fired stove, wood-fired cooking stove, a few different types of axes and a crosscut saw to provide the former with fuel from dead trees.

Oh, wait? Those are not 'boring technologies', they're just 'old technologies' - nothing boring about them.

Computer-related 'boring' technologies in daily use: the nix tool set - shell, awk, sed, perl, curl and the like plus some relatively newcomers like jq and xidel to handle web-related things. Vim in one of its guises. Instead of fighting npm and the myriad of ever-changing related tools to provide CLI tools I tend to use the former to open up APIs to those who live on the command line. All the claims of shell being unsuitable for such projects notwithstanding these tools tend to work reliably while being self-contained - a single file pulling in a single config file and sometimes a common functions file. No transpilers needed, no packers, no shitload of libraries, no nuthin' - just a few hundred lines of 'boring' shell like e.g. this BookStack* API CLI [1] I made a week and a bit ago.

Storage: MDADM and LVM hosting ext4 instead of ZFS because I like the separation of tasks and the greater flexibility over the latter.

Web: PHP because it works and performs well enough. Java when needed, also because it works and performs well enough. Pure Javascript instead of the jumble of libraries/frameworks/new-ways-of-doing-things because those all too often end up being old-unmaintained-ways-of-doing-things.

System: C over C++/Rust/Zig over Go/Nim/Crystal because it is the Lingua Franca which has stood the test of time and will probably outlive most of those mentioned languages.

Communications: SMTP/IMAP + XMPP and when needed Telegram over Slack/Teams/whatever.

Cloud? Only when I have the hardware under my own control and within reach. The server lives under the stairs, the backup server under some other stairs in another building.

Wired Ethernet over WiFi when possible.

Older hardware, usually rescued from a dumpster or something similar.

[1] https://github.com/Yetangitu/bs

Re: Ask HN: Which boring technology do you still use?

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post #4

Button phones + laptop instead of sensor phone for everything. Cash instead of banks (cryptocurrency is an exception). Email + forums + IRC (sometimes) instead of Telegram or similar. Arc lamps instead of LED if it is possible. Singlespeed bicycle instead of ones with gears. 3-way stereo with paper diffusors and class-A amplifier instead of wide-band 1-way with plastic diffusor and class-D amplifier. And listening to…

Arc lamps...

Both Waterhouse and Ghnxh are encased in planklike wrappings of genuine Qwghlm wool, and the latter carries THE GALVANICK LUCIPHER. The Galvanick Lucipher is of antique design. Ghnxh, who is about a hundred years old, can only smile in condescension at Waterhouse's U.S. Navy flashlight. In the sotto voce tones one might use to correct an enormous social gaffe, he explains that the galvanick lucipher is of such a superior design as to make any further reference to the Navy model a grating embarrassment for everyone concerned. He leads Waterhouse back to a special room behind the room behind the room behind the room behind the pantry, a room that exists solely for maintenance of the galvanick lucipher and the storage of its parts and supplies. The heart of the device is a hand-blown spherical glass jar comparable in volume to a gallon jug. Ghnxh, who suffers from a pretty advanced case of either hypothermia or Parkinson's, maneuvers a glass funnel into the neck of the jar. Then he wrestles a glass carboy from a shelf. The carboy, labeled AQUA REGIA, is filled with a fulminant orange liquid. He removes its glass stopper, hugs it, and heaves it over so that the orange fluid begins to glug out into the funnel and thence into the jar. Where it splashes out onto the tabletop, something very much like smoke curls up as it eats holes just like the thousands of other holes already there. The fumes get into Waterhouse's lungs; they are astoundingly corrosive. He staggers out of the room for a while.

When he ventures back, he finds Ghnxh whittling an electrode from an ingot of pure carbon. The jar of aqua regia has been capped off now, and a variety of anodes, cathodes, and other working substances are suspended in it, held in place by clamps of hammered gold. Thick wires, in insulating sheathes of hand-knit asbestos, twist out of the jar and into the business end of the galvanick lucipher: a copper salad bowl whose mouth is closed off by a Fresnel lens like the ones on a lighthouse. When Ghnxh gets his carbon whittled to just the right size and shape, he fits it into a little hatch in the side of this bowl, and casually throws a Frankensteinian blade switch. A spark pops across the contacts like a firecracker.

For a moment, Waterhouse thinks that one wall of the building has collapsed, exposing them to the direct light of the sun. But Ghnxh has simply turned on the galvanick lucipher, which soon becomes about ten times brighter, as Ghnxh adjusts a bronze thumbscrew. Crushed with shame, Waterhouse puts his Navy flashlight back into its prissy little belt holster, and precedes Ghnxh out of the room, the galvanick lucipher casting palpable warmth on the back of his neck. "We've got about two hours before she goes dead on us," Ghnxh says significantly.

   The Cryptonomicon
   Neal Stephenson
   pp 289-290
Oh, and fixies are silly city-dweller contraptions, the grown-up version of the BMX they rode as kids. Here's a nickel, son, get yourself a derailleur. I've been cycling from more or less when I could walk - being born in the Netherlands - and never stopped. The human machine works best at a cadence of around 80-100 rpm but the landscape does not take this into account by putting hills in the way. The same goes for the weather which sometimes giveth, sometimes taketh away.

Re: Ask HN: Which boring technology do you still use?

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post #21

RSS IMAP Bittorrent I lost my mojo for brand new technologies and frameworks and languages, and I can't ignore the amount of energy and resources that new shiny tech requires, so I stick to low-tech, proven stuff that has been there for eons and will be there for eons, as much as I can.

what is the replacement for IMAP if you are not using the browser version? As far as i can remember, any email client i ever set up with outlook/gmail/gsuite eventually is set up using IMAP

The Exchange ActiveSync thing from Microsoft is probably the most used protocol for synchronizing mails, contacts and calendars. Given its proprietary nature there must be tremendous efforts done just to understand how it works, so it's not for me.

Moreover, more and more uses of email go through the web and IMAP is an afterthought. Tutanota can send end-to-end encrypted emails... if both parties access emails through the web interface. Or it's a link to an encrypted message, but then you have to send the secure link/password some other way. ProtonMail does the same, if you want IMAP access you need to install an additional software on your machine.

IMAP used to be everywhere, but because people like shiny things it is slowly seen as a bad thing we should get rid of

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