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#51
A major budget killer in my marriage was shopping for furniture/decor together. "Having a nice home" was one of the few things my spouse and I could agree on, so shopping for decor was one of the few ways I got any of his time and attention in something vaguely resembling a positive fashion. (He could only really give me his undivided attention if we were arguing about something. We spent way too much time fighting and this was a major factor in the marriage failing.) I didn't really need more furniture. I really needed some positive attention from him and just couldn't get it. Furniture shopping was the closest substitute I could get, so we did way too much of it, much to the detriment of our budget.

I think any relationship based on a "dating" model is at risk of equating relating with "having a good time" ...aka spending money. If you are doing this, consider finding another way to relate to your S.O. Cooking together, gardening together, just plain talking for hours, long walks and other forms of spending time together that don't revolve around spending money per se can do a lot for both your relationship and budget.

Edit: I will note I did the stay-at-home-mom thing for nearly two decades. Perhaps that detail will help clarify why I am making this remark.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker Finances? / How much do you save each month?

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My monthly breakdown: - $1000 renting a room in my parents' house (utilities and wi-fi included!) - $50-100 my contribution to groceries and household purchases - $50-100 transportation - $10 cell phone (it's prepaid and I'm a recluse who prefers to communicate online) - $100-200 miscellaneous discretionary stuff that I don't really track (e.g. restaurant meal, a new pair of shoes, a sale on Steam, yet another USB st…

what the what, $1,000 per month for a single room? My rent and utilities combined is only just above that, I'm in the centre of my town with 2 bedrooms... where on earth do you live?

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Re: Ask HN: Hacker Finances? / How much do you save each month?

#53
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My monthly breakdown: - $1000 renting a room in my parents' house (utilities and wi-fi included!) - $50-100 my contribution to groceries and household purchases - $50-100 transportation - $10 cell phone (it's prepaid and I'm a recluse who prefers to communicate online) - $100-200 miscellaneous discretionary stuff that I don't really track (e.g. restaurant meal, a new pair of shoes, a sale on Steam, yet another USB st…

what the what, $1,000 per month for a single room? My rent and utilities combined is only just above that, I'm in the centre of my town with 2 bedrooms... where on earth do you live?

It's not that surprising when the house is valued at roughly $1 million. This is in southern California, where that kind of money doesn't get you a mansion either.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker Finances? / How much do you save each month?

#54
Ok, this is going to be a little big. Firstly before giving you out details on how I manage my money. Let me first let me tell you I'm an Indian, currently staying in Bangalore. This is important to understand the economic background from where I come.

To give you a brief background, I come from a relatively poor backgrounds. And trust me poor in India translates to very poor in USA. My dad was a cab driver and mom a teacher at a school. Me and my sister are the only kids parents have. They slogged their whole life to get us decent education. Throughout my teenage and childhood, I witnessed first hand how difficult life gets without money. Many a times we didn't have money even to pay for my school fees. We used to stay at relatives place in a small room. The whole family in a hall. We used to get clothes probably once or twice a year. I still remember I didn't wear shoes until I got my first pay. The first month I had borrowed my Uncle's shoes. Until even 22, The only clothes I wore were either borrowed or donated. During my pre university college and engineering, I've survived on scholarships. I used to get around 2 rupees a day to live on. Given that, I used to be able to eat my lunch only once a week. That is all could afford. If there is anybody who knows what hunger is, its me. I've seen first hand, how it feels to see some one eat stomach full in front of you, while you just look at them and hope you had gotten that opportunity to eat that meal.

Coming to how I managed my finances and came out of all this.

a. Firstly my dad, got himself a cab of his own. This was a risk we took. He used to drive nearly 24x7, he got rentals more frequently. More importantly he was able to get a lot of personal clients who were ready to pay a little more for the excellent services he offered. One great thing about my parents is although we live in near hand to mouth conditions. We saved money and invested like no one. And we used to do that very frequently.

b. Gold savings, Making a routine habit of buying a little gold helped our family a lot. Over years, Gold prices have gone up real high in India. I helped us sell of a lot of ornaments we purchased to buy real estate later. Incremental investments are crucial.

c. Disposing Gold at the right time, to buy real estate not in the city. But closer to the city. Keep an eye on the real estate market. There are always opportunities to buy cheap properties, which are not good now but will be good in the future. In fact the whole concept of an investment is to work towards a future prospect, not current.

d. Get yourself a good savings plan. A penny saved is a penny gained. Know how much is sufficient for you X years from now and plan accordingly.

e. Learn to live content and frugal. Differentiate between needs and wants. You don't need to keep changing the iPhone model every year. That's waste of money. Don't fall into mindless consumerism. Especially buy a get 2a free stuff kind of things. Learn how you can cook at home, avoid hotel meals. They are neither healthy nor economical. Occasional family outing is Ok, but frequent ones spoil you. Don't fall for show off, know what you need and stick to it. People's perception don't matter.

f. I don't have/take any loans, credit cards, dues as a life principle. Interests are the most dangerous thing. They make your life miserable. Get out of the debt as soon as you can and don't go into it ever again.

g. Don't buy stuff you can't afford.

h. Get your self endowment insurance policy. The things that allows you small investment over years. Covers you for life, but yet gives you a huge sum of amount at some period. This also takes care of your retirement planning.

By Gods grace,I am in good conditions now. By merely learning how to manage my monthly salary well. Thanks to my dad for teaching me this. Small expenses, savings matter a lot. Over time they get multiplied. Its in your hand to manage your money.

If you earn 100 rupees, sure enjoy 40 rupees. Save 30 rupees and invest 30 rupees. Incremental savings and investments matter a lot. This is the most important thing you must remember. Don't bother about what others are thinking or doing. You plan for your future. No one is going to help you when you are in trouble. So save and invest whatever you have.

Above all work hard, work your life off. Going far requires making sacrifices and undergoing pain. Show up on time, do the right thing and a little extra than others. Take the occasional risk and make right decisions.

If you can do all this 12-16 hours a day. Success is inevitable. Its karma. You will be ahead of at least 95% of the crowd.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker Finances? / How much do you save each month?

#55

Any money put into savings beyond petty cash for emergency situations is money lost if you have debts. The interest on your credit card debt is going to be at least an order of magnitude greater than any interest you're going to get on savings or investments. Pay off your debt first, save later. The real answer is that you need to break down what is in that 45% because that's where "non-essentials" are going to be.

in the UK offset mortgages are one solution to this problem: say you have a mortgage of £200k remaining, and £50k in a linked instant access savings account, then you only pay interest on £150k (no tax to pay on that effective interest either).

Re: Ask HN: Hacker Finances? / How much do you save each month?

#56
0. Retirement savings - 20% in Roth 401k

A. Mortgage/Rent ~1/3 of residual income + electric + internet. It's more expensive per foot than what I could get, but I live within walking distance of work, so no fuel or commuting for work. I can literally leave work and get home in 5 minutes. I put value on that and the free time it allows me.

B. Credit cards / Personal Loans - $250/mo car loan, pay off CC each month. No student loans because I worked all throughout college and managed to find a scholarship or two. I put everything on my credit card and pay it off at the end of the month. 2% back AMEX FIA retirement card, so I get a 2% discount on everything I would be buying anyway, and I don't have to figure out point multipliers and how stores are categorized.

Contrary to most advice here, I have a brand new car. Why is that? I moved 1000 miles away from my friends and family, so in the mean time I have no support network should I get I have problems. Thus the warranty and free roadside assistance has value to me. My reliability requirements on the car were fairly high, so I was looking at 2007+. Once you add in the car loan, I was easily within reach of the new car. I got 0% financing on the new car, vs ~3% on a used model, and I get really good gas mileage. Now I can keep meticulous care of my new car and keep all the service records and know exactly how it's maintained. New cars aren't necessarily a bad purchase, you just have to keep them longer to amortize the value. My insurance is about $600 more per year on a 2011 vs the 2001 I had prior, but I'm still under the magic age of 25 or 26. I keep good coverage though, higher than the state required limits.

In summary: in a given month, I don't see 20% of my pay, as that's contributed to a 401k. I pay ~50% of the remainder, split between rent/utils and other expenses, leaving me with the rest for non-retirement savings.

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#57
post #54

Ok, this is going to be a little big. Firstly before giving you out details on how I manage my money. Let me first let me tell you I'm an Indian, currently staying in Bangalore. This is important to understand the economic background from where I come. To give you a brief background, I come from a relatively poor backgrounds. And trust me poor in India translates to very poor in USA. My dad was a cab driver and mom a…

Thanks for sharing this inspiring story. Having been to India previously, I can imagine somewhat what you and your parents have struggled to overcome/achieve.

"They slogged their whole life to get us decent education"

I bet that is probably an understatement from what I know of hard-working Indian people.

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#58
I want to give you a different take on frugal living- my grandparents lived frugally their whole lives so that they would have a comfortable retirement. They didn't go on many vacations, they didn't go out, they spent their lives working and saving and thought that everything was set. Then the Soviet Union collapsed- within 2-3 years, everything they worked for their whole lives was wiped away by runaway inflation. They were left with nothing. So they spent their lives denying themselves so that they can have a comfortable old age and came away with nothing as a result.

Am I telling you this because I think you shouldn't save for the future? No. I'm telling you this because there should be balance in life- you only live once and you're only young once, balance fun, travel and the more pleasurable aspects of life with saving for the future. You never know what the future hold for your health or for your country.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker Finances? / How much do you save each month?

#59
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what the what, $1,000 per month for a single room? My rent and utilities combined is only just above that, I'm in the centre of my town with 2 bedrooms... where on earth do you live?

It's not that surprising when the house is valued at roughly $1 million. This is in southern California, where that kind of money doesn't get you a mansion either.

Still. $1000 to live with the parents? In the LA area you can get a place with a roommate between $450 - $700 a month, without all the issues or social stigma of living with the parents. It'd be one thing if you were getting a sweet deal ($300-$400 a month, everything included) but paying 1k just to live with the parents seems counter-intuitive.

Re: Ask HN: Hacker Finances? / How much do you save each month?

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that surprising when the house is valued at roughly $1 million. This is in southern California, where that kind of money doesn't get you a mansion either.

Still. $1000 to live with the parents? In the LA area you can get a place with a roommate between $450 - $700 a month, without all the issues or social stigma of living with the parents. It'd be one thing if you were getting a sweet deal ($300-$400 a month, everything included) but paying 1k just to live with the parents seems counter-intuitive.

I'm Asian. What social stigma?

I could probably pay less by living elsewhere, but $1000 that stays within the family > $500 to some landlord with whom I have no connection. Also, I'd miss out on Mom & Dad's awesome cooking.

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