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Re: Ask HN: When did corporate America become so flaky?

#51

Post by jaygreco »

danbmil99 wrote: post #44

As an aging Boomer I find this ghosting shit completely unacceptable. Are Millennials really such delicate flowers that they can't be bothered to tell someone they're not going to hire them? I have the funny feeling they're importing these practices from their dating life. I would find it unacceptable in that context as well, but to be honest as long as I stick to my age range I don't see that happening. Our generati…

See many of the reasons listed above for the non-responses. Almost none of them boil down to the reductionist generational stereotypes you’re throwing out here as if they’re fact.

I’d hit you with the “ok boomer”, but this is HN and I hold my comments to a higher standard than that.

Re: Ask HN: When did corporate America become so flaky?

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Post by tomcam »

Americans became flaky long ago. I just made reservations at a veterinarian and a restaurant. Today they both called me on the day before the appointment to make sure I would be there. My doctors are threatening fairly substantial penalties (say, around $75) for missing appointments, a practice of which I approve heartily.

Re: Ask HN: When did corporate America become so flaky?

#53

Post by tomcam »

SyneRyder wrote: post #41
joe-collins wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree. 33 years old, gmail, with a handful of other accounts used to corral expected spam from low quality websites. My inbox is 100% automated messages, and the only one going back through July that I explicitly solicited is from a concert ticket purchase. Email, like the telephone, is polluted into uselessness.

Assuming you're a developer, by 33 you should have programmed email filters to handle this. The whole point of email is to have it automatically prioritized and sorted before you even start reading it. If your inbox is 100% automated messages, something has gone seriously wrong. I wonder if Gmail is part of the problem. All the spam I receive at a Fastmail-hosted account is coming from hacked Gmail accounts. Google i…

How do you know Gmail is doing nothing to stop it?

Re: Ask HN: When did corporate America become so flaky?

#54

Post by ad404b8a372f2b9 »

rjbwork wrote: post #30
humanistbot wrote: post #20

> more often than not I would need to write follow-up emails after an email communication would go unresponded to for over a week I know this is a "kids these days" anecdote, but I'm seeing a big generational gap in this kind of activity. I was in a frustrating conversation with an undergrad intern who hadn't responded to an e-mail. I was trying to make it a learning experience: at least in this workplace, if I send…

I blame the email spam. It's made email nearly useless for me in my career except for when I worked at a global investment bank as an intern many years ago. I'm mid 30's principal and I basically ignore email. I check it once a week I'd say. The absolute bulk of communication in my career has been via hipchat/slack/teams, fogbugz/jira/azure devops/monday and our source control systems.

One of my first big dressing down at work, as a young engineer, was a result of this.

A manager had been emailing me monthly requests to update some time-tracking excel sheet, but his emails looked like the kind of automated spam you get from every other service reminding you to do something or other so I ignored them. And I was tracking my time following a different process (you had to do both unbeknownst to me) so I assumed it was just an automatic reminder and I was good.

Anyway 6 months into the job he called me on the phone and gave me the dressing down of a lifetime about responsibility and answering your emails and so forth. Very unpleasant experience all around.

Re: Ask HN: When did corporate America become so flaky?

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Post by SyneRyder »

tomcam wrote: post #53
SyneRyder wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming you're a developer, by 33 you should have programmed email filters to handle this. The whole point of email is to have it automatically prioritized and sorted before you even start reading it. If your inbox is 100% automated messages, something has gone seriously wrong. I wonder if Gmail is part of the problem. All the spam I receive at a Fastmail-hosted account is coming from hacked Gmail accounts. Google i…

How do you know Gmail is doing nothing to stop it?

I've reported it to admins via various methods (eg Spamcop), and Google was declining to accept spam reports. (ie Google's email contact address was listed as "google-abuse-bounces-reports@devnull.spamcop.net") I'll double check that is still the case and try again with Google when the next one comes through.

The spam I'm talking about almost always has "new autobot" or "new cryptobot" in the subject, and usually has an infected PDF attached. A simple outbound check for that would be enough to flag likely compromised accounts. That's the simple filter rule I'm using to kick it automatically into my spam folder for later review.

One of the more egregious servers is mail-lf1-f48.google.com:

https://www.abuseipdb.com/check/209.85.167.48

But it's also coming from mail-yw1-f180.google.com, mail-yw1-f181.google.com and mail-yw1-f182.google.com, and those are just the servers I've seen in the last 24 hours.

https://www.abuseipdb.com/check/209.85.128.180

https://www.abuseipdb.com/check/209.85.128.181

https://www.abuseipdb.com/check/209.85.128.182

I am assuming it is the Google accounts that are compromised, and not Google's own mail servers. But I suppose it's possible that Google itself is pwned.

Re: Ask HN: When did corporate America become so flaky?

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Post by feet »

SyneRyder wrote: post #41
joe-collins wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree. 33 years old, gmail, with a handful of other accounts used to corral expected spam from low quality websites. My inbox is 100% automated messages, and the only one going back through July that I explicitly solicited is from a concert ticket purchase. Email, like the telephone, is polluted into uselessness.

Assuming you're a developer, by 33 you should have programmed email filters to handle this. The whole point of email is to have it automatically prioritized and sorted before you even start reading it. If your inbox is 100% automated messages, something has gone seriously wrong. I wonder if Gmail is part of the problem. All the spam I receive at a Fastmail-hosted account is coming from hacked Gmail accounts. Google i…

I'm sorry but not everyone is a programmer. What about the other 95% of the population who deals with the same spam fatigue?

Re: Ask HN: When did corporate America become so flaky?

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Post by gnz11 »

spookthesunset wrote: post #37
giantg2 wrote: post #3

I have noticed that communication has gone substantially downhill since the pandemic. Even communicating with people like some doctors, paralegals, and nurses has been tough. There's some incorrect information in my kid's medical file. It's basically impossible to get it corrected. The courts will also take the word of some nurse who entered the note over the parent. Why? Simply because they're a nurse. Yet they're s…

Nobody wants to fucking do any work anymore. I hate to blame it on all this remote work crap but I highly suspect it plays a lot into it. When everybody is a small rectangular box featuring a head and shoulders, the human connection is completely gone. It's all fake internet shit now so who cares? Plus all interaction has to be gated through meetings and shit. Things happen much, much slower. I dunno man. It isn't th…

> Nobody wants to fucking do any work anymore.

Or maybe it’s years of corporations treating their employees like dogshit “resources” catching up to them? No career mobility, low pay, toxic middle managers, little vacation time, etc.

Re: Ask HN: When did corporate America become so flaky?

#58

Post by origin_path »

ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote: post #54
rjbwork wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I blame the email spam. It's made email nearly useless for me in my career except for when I worked at a global investment bank as an intern many years ago. I'm mid 30's principal and I basically ignore email. I check it once a week I'd say. The absolute bulk of communication in my career has been via hipchat/slack/teams, fogbugz/jira/azure devops/monday and our source control systems.

One of my first big dressing down at work, as a young engineer, was a result of this. A manager had been emailing me monthly requests to update some time-tracking excel sheet, but his emails looked like the kind of automated spam you get from every other service reminding you to do something or other so I ignored them. And I was tracking my time following a different process (you had to do both unbeknownst to me) so…

In fairness to the manager it's a bit odd to assume that if an email reminder is auto-generated, you don't have to do it.

Re: Ask HN: When did corporate America become so flaky?

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Post by juve1996 »

humanistbot wrote: post #20

> more often than not I would need to write follow-up emails after an email communication would go unresponded to for over a week I know this is a "kids these days" anecdote, but I'm seeing a big generational gap in this kind of activity. I was in a frustrating conversation with an undergrad intern who hadn't responded to an e-mail. I was trying to make it a learning experience: at least in this workplace, if I send…

Is it really surprising to you why he didn't respond well to that? I would not be happy if someone said to me what you said to him.
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