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Re: Ask HN: How have you deGoogled your life?

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Youtube: Odysee (with an extension that auto redirects youtube to odysee if it exists for the video) I only use google for youtube (if the content isn't on odysee) and gmail. How are the gmail alternatives? Can I use my custom domain for free on any? Have self-hosting solutions come close to gmail with spam filters?

I really wanted to like Odysee, but the community and dominant content are really not for me. The Politics section especially seems to be dominated by people who are either banned or expect to be banned from YouTube - and not without reason.

I really wish PeerTube was more of a thing.

Re: Ask HN: How have you deGoogled your life?

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I went with a pretty straightforward approach at the time. I mostly de-Googled myself 3-4 years ago. I use Fastmail for email and calendar, DuckDuckGo & StartPage for searching, Firefox as a web browser, and a Synology NAS for storage over Google Drive. I use Google Drive / Docs / Sheets occasionally for collaborating. Most people aren't de-Googled so it's more of a hassle to ask them to use a different service. Addi…

++fastmail they have actual real humans doing support.

Quant for search makes sense in Europe.

Trying hard but I still find stuff where my auth is gmail. Some sites won't let you change email. The ones of those that I can, I have left for other services.

What is most frustrating is that I have a Google phone so they snoop even bank auth.

I could not live without WhatsApp in Spain and, weirdly, that requirement forces me to have a gPhone or iPhone.

Re: Ask HN: How have you deGoogled your life?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Officially, yes. There are unofficial versions. As it happens, I'm being gifted a Pixel 4, so full steam ahead. Check their site/wiki for info, if this interests you.

I do like the idea of GrapheneOS, I just don't feel 100% comfortable running hardware made by Google.

I'm quite sure the hardware is fine. From what I recall google phones actually have some of the best security hardware. It's one of the reasons GrapheneOS chose Nexus/Pixel phones as official base as well as the long support for those devices.

What is the alternative? Running some chinese hardware and chips? I guess iPhones would work but you have no real softwarecontrol over those. And what do you worry about regarding the hardware if I may ask? That there is some way the hardware bypases the software running on the device and send out information?

Re: Ask HN: How have you deGoogled your life?

#54
Partly, Google even helped me with the deprecation of the free gsuite. I never really found out what their solution was for private use, so I migrated the two domains I had.

I still have a gmail account, which is kinda needed for YouTube Premium, which is a service I do enjoy.

Re: Ask HN: How have you deGoogled your life?

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Phone:

Pixel 4a with Graphene OS, only GCam Services Provider (https://github.com/lukaspieper/Gcam-Services-Provider) to be able to use Google Camera. Implementation is super simple and it shouldn't take long to see that it actually does nothing.

Browser:

Firefox - followed https://blackgnu.net/firefox-hardening-guide.html; Fennec on Android

Search - https://searx.space/ (plan on self hosting one)

Youtube - https://docs.invidious.io/instances/ (plan on self hosting one)

Passwords:

Bitwarden - backups done regularly to encrypted external storage and encrypted rclone mount

Email:

Tutanota/Protonmail + custom domain

2FA:

Aegis

Messaging:

Signal - easiest way to setup for non-technical friends and family. Used to use a few different apps, but only use this right now. I also use https://meet.jit.si/ occasionally for calls on the laptop/desktop.

VPN:

Mullvad - currently working on setting up my own.

Maps:

Organic Maps on Android/Open Street Maps on desktop/laptop.

Sync:

Syncthing - syncing desktop, laptop, a few phones to my home server on LAN only.

Notes:

Markdown files kept on devices, synced through syncthing.

Media:

Emby - had issues with Jellyfin, but might revisit in a few months as I have some plans there.

Airsonic - music

Adblocker:

Mullvad + ublockorigin

Calendar:

Tutanota

Analytics for website:

C# console app that parses caddy logs and clears logs after parsing.

Cloud:

Create encrypted mount with rclone and dump backups there when needed.

It was a slow process to get here and I am lucky to have friends who followed me on this journey to be honest. The first step came while working for my final project at university and building something around my heavy dislike for Facebook. Once I had to research the subject more in depth I started to realize how wrong I was all these years entrusting troves of data to the highest bidder... I had a friend who had asked me about these things and I am sorry for not listening to him sooner, but I felt that he never went past "bro, you shouldn't trust google!". Which is I think what most of us do.

I am trying to have conversations about this with everyone and try to adjust my language to their level. It's good because it highlights how little I know and it works both ways as I have to learn myself a bit more about any given topic. It's quite nice. It's even better to have people who have followed me on this path, moving to devices with no google services at all on them, moving away operating systems and so on.

If you think you're stuck, try to get rid of an app or two and see how it goes. Most of them add little to NO value to your life and your tech stack so trust yourself and delete them. It took me about a year to fully get rid of any google related stuff (and I include micro G here to allow me to run stuff like WhatsApp/YT/Gmail/Maps). And I knew it's bad, so I imagine it's a lot harder if you don't think there are risks.

Some things are more difficult, but my phone is now a tool that quietly sits on a desk somewhere in the house and I use it to do something specific. It's also reassuring to know it's not constantly feeding off me to send info to whoever is interested in my particular demographic.

As an afterword, please, all of you who suggest open source alternatives, also keep in mind that most of these projects have very little financial support. A few dollars, euros, pounds might not mean much to you, but it could make the world of difference for all these people working to keep our data safe and our devices useful. Stop recommending people stuff and starting with "it's free" and phrase it with "it's private and secure...". Start introducing the cost early on. Without our support these alternatives can and will vanish or will morph to attempt to keep themselves alive.

Re: Ask HN: How have you deGoogled your life?

#57

A few weeks ago there was a post about Kagi[0] which is a paid search engine, I tried the trial and used all my searches, then immediately became a customer and have no regrets. [0] https://kagi.com/

10$/month for a search engine that is basically a nice google/bing Proxz is ludicrous. For that price you can just run your own searx instance

Re: Ask HN: How have you deGoogled your life?

#59
I've been actively degoogling my life for about 10 years, mostly kicked off by Snowden's revelations. Off the top of my head, here's what's left:

• Youtube

Too much content there to stop using. I almost never use it while logged in. I never subscribe: I bookmark the channel.

• Maps

Too useful to stop using. Haven't tried alternatives, but open to recommendations. Business locations and open/close times are must haves for me.

• Duo

It's a videophone that mostly works.

• Chrome

I never stopped using Firefox as my main browser since ~2005, but I'll use Chrome from time to time, mostly for website development and watching Youtube.

• GMail

I've almost completely moved off it about a year ago for Fastmail, but I keep checking my existing GMail. Probably should get around to moving over completely.

• Android

I'm a recent LineageOS convert, but still use it with the Play Store.

Re: Ask HN: How have you deGoogled your life?

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Personally, I created a chrome extension for myself where I track my own behavior locally and recommend myself content from sites i like (youtube/twitter/quora/etc) in a feed. Would rather have control over my own algorithm and own the data. Also it gives me flexibility. Turns out I do like these feeds just not when I don't own it haha.

lmk if you're interested in the tech behind it. It's for my personal use now but could also release it if people are interested. I call it myAlgorithm.

Seconded! I’ve been curious about a self-hosted recommendation engine, I would love to see your implementation.
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