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Re: Ask HN: Replacement for Stack Overflow jobs section?

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KeyValues does just this: https://keyvalues.com "Find engineering teams that share your values" (No affiliation, just a fan)

As a job board owner, I'm also a fan of keyvalues.com as an example of innovation in the market (no affiliation). That said, I don't see it ever scaling to the mainstream. It serves a great niche, though!

What’s your job board?

Re: Ask HN: Replacement for Stack Overflow jobs section?

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Somebody please make OkCupid for Jobs. Both employers and applicants fill out questions that the community curates (so they can be job-specific, industry-specific, etc). Both employers and employees get matches via algorithm rather than receiving 100 random resumes or 100 random job suggestions that have nothing to do with you. Existing sites do this, but very poorly, because they only try to detect information out o…

Doesn't OKCupid use algorithms for matching?

Re: Ask HN: Replacement for Stack Overflow jobs section?

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Somebody please make OkCupid for Jobs. Both employers and applicants fill out questions that the community curates (so they can be job-specific, industry-specific, etc). Both employers and employees get matches via algorithm rather than receiving 100 random resumes or 100 random job suggestions that have nothing to do with you. Existing sites do this, but very poorly, because they only try to detect information out o…

Yes, please. I'd also like to see cover letters replaced by something more useful for both parties, like a small set of direct questions to answer. When an applicant applies for a job, she's left to make her best guess as to what information the company might find useful, and has to find a way to cram that into an awkward, stiff, rather bullshitty epistolary format. The hirer is then left to try to parse and interpre…

> I'd also like to see cover letters replaced by something more useful for both parties, like a small set of direct questions to answer.

This "small set of direct questions," in my opinion, is implicit in the job description/duties and desired qualifications. Employers lately have had challenges in job definition, of course (they seem interested in advertising for the company rather than a job, and the job descriptions have become increasingly elastic; in their defense, retention is hard, and it can be difficult to slot people into single roles anymore).

My general practice in responding to job postings is to prepend my resume with a table containing the job requirements vs. my experience with an estimation of whether I meet the requirement (check, dash, X) and a brief explanation.

In cases where there aren't any job postings, but I have an interest in the company—or if I want to make an impression that I'm targeting them—I'll send a cover letter by postal mail with a printed resume. Usually it's a few sentences: here's why I'm interested, how I might be useful to you, and here's a resume with contact information if you want to reach out.

Re: Ask HN: Replacement for Stack Overflow jobs section?

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For people like me, who have not heard about this: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/415293/sunsetting-j... > Jobs and Developer Story will no longer be supported as of April 1, 2022.

Wow, thanks, I had no idea. I even missed the previous HN thread on it (I follow HN150 on Twitter, so mostly only check out stories that hit 150 points). What’s crazy is that I haven’t received a single email about them deprecating Jobs. I think they have my most up-to-date resume, so I may have lost that (maybe they’ll send something out later this month, but seems like most companies give a longer heads-up when dep…

I got multiple emails from them about the depreciation.

Re: Ask HN: Replacement for Stack Overflow jobs section?

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Somebody please make OkCupid for Jobs. Both employers and applicants fill out questions that the community curates (so they can be job-specific, industry-specific, etc). Both employers and employees get matches via algorithm rather than receiving 100 random resumes or 100 random job suggestions that have nothing to do with you. Existing sites do this, but very poorly, because they only try to detect information out o…

Shameless plug: I started Facet ( https://www.facet.net/passive-search ) to do just this. You set your preferences for jobs you'd be interested in (salary range, tech stack, location/remote, etc) and our algorithm matches you to jobs that fit your criteria as they come up. We're adding more and more criteria as we go to get the targeting super precise. I'm a software engineer and I noticed that LinkedIn's business mo…

It would be nice to be able to set some filters and browse before being forced to make an account. I was intrigued but you’re probably losing people like me by introducing that kind of friction. I understand why you’re doing it, I really do, just some hopefully helpful feedback.

Re: Ask HN: Replacement for Stack Overflow jobs section?

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What I'd really love to see is a way to find candidates via their former employers. As a CTO who recruits in a specific industry, I need to find employees who used to work at companies A, B, C.

Doesn't LinkedIn search more-or-less accomplish this? Look for people who have worked for J, Q, and U companies?

This is very industry dependent. Some industries make heavy use of LinkedIn, but others never touch it.

For example, if they need educators, LI is pretty useless.

Re: Ask HN: Replacement for Stack Overflow jobs section?

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a job board owner, I'm also a fan of keyvalues.com as an example of innovation in the market (no affiliation). That said, I don't see it ever scaling to the mainstream. It serves a great niche, though!

What’s your job board?

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Re: Ask HN: Replacement for Stack Overflow jobs section?

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Somebody please make OkCupid for Jobs. Both employers and applicants fill out questions that the community curates (so they can be job-specific, industry-specific, etc). Both employers and employees get matches via algorithm rather than receiving 100 random resumes or 100 random job suggestions that have nothing to do with you. Existing sites do this, but very poorly, because they only try to detect information out o…

Oh, man. Where were you 15 years ago?

Around 2007, when there was this wave of "37signals job board clones" and I was still living in Brazil, my friend and I started a job board focused on the Brazilian market (job4dev.com). It was free to post as long as the name of the company was provided and the contact was direct with someone from the team. No agencies and no clueless recruiters allowed.

At first, there was very little traction. We were doing most submissions ourselves. After a few months it started to pick some audience (a few thousand unique users/day). We did all the "Web 2.0" things from the time: auto-classification and filtering by tags, integration with social networks, a company wiki, etc.

Our site was featured on some tech magazine as one of the best sites for tech jobs. We had a couple of "repeat customers", companies that were posting regularly on the site and were giving excellent feedback. The one thing that we "forgot" to do: sales and marketing. By 2008 I was moving to the US, right before the big crash, so I was focused on finding any kind of job which could sponsor a visa. My friend on the other hand was more focused on his day job, and he was just too afraid to go to companies that were facing a recession to ask "maybe you'd be interested in some paid features"?

I continued moonlighting on job4dev for some years, but because I was in the US and because much bigger companies started cornering this market, it became mostly a hobby project for me.

All of this to say: guess what was one the things that I did start to prototype?

Yes, it was "OkCupid for Jobs".

The algorithm is actually simple to implement. I didn't take it further because I pitched the idea to some and and no one "(in Brazil) knew of OkCupid, and few seemed to care about using "algorithmic compatibility matching". Credentials/Education Level/Networking were the most important filters.

Anyway, after a while I left the US to move to Germany, and put aside job4dev for good. The idea of "OkCupid for jobs" still seems to me a good one, and I still wonder why it wasn't picked up by someone more competent than me.

Re: Ask HN: Replacement for Stack Overflow jobs section?

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shameless plug: I started Facet ( https://www.facet.net/passive-search ) to do just this. You set your preferences for jobs you'd be interested in (salary range, tech stack, location/remote, etc) and our algorithm matches you to jobs that fit your criteria as they come up. We're adding more and more criteria as we go to get the targeting super precise. I'm a software engineer and I noticed that LinkedIn's business mo…

It would be nice to be able to set some filters and browse before being forced to make an account. I was intrigued but you’re probably losing people like me by introducing that kind of friction. I understand why you’re doing it, I really do, just some hopefully helpful feedback.

Were you not able to? I clicked "Jobs" in the menu bar and was able to search without an account.
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