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People here regularly recommend a brand of dumb tv that is very reasonable in terms of image quality.
Would you mind mentioning the name of that brand? I'm currently looking for a TV.
Thanks for the warning, I just bought a pair of these last week. I had planned to never in a million years pair it with a phone or connect it to wireless, and this just makes it obvious what the repercussions would have been. Paying ~$2k for appliances that then try to extract extra money out of you with targeted advertising (for what! you already bought the equipment!). Bookmark history! Dear god.
I don't regret sticking to dumb appliances. I hate Smart TVs with a passion, but they are all you can get nowadays. But I can just throw the TV out the window if it stops working when I unplug it and continue living just fine. Not so much with my washer, dryer, stove, car and fridge/freezer. I do not look forward to the day you CAN'T buy a non-smart appliance like a fridge or water heater.
You can also just not connect it to the internet.
Also, be aware that repairing a purely electrical appliance is fairly simple for most small appliance repair businesses. However smart appliances can be setup to only allow "Authorized" repairs. I've seen this for some electric bikes like Bosch bottom bracket motors where you need specific USB keys to work on or modify them that are VERY expensive.
They are not legal in Spain, and probably neither in most of the civilized world (YMMV!). Over here a contract change needs to be approved by both parties at the time and with the specifics of the change, so a blanket "we might change this at any time" prior to it would also not be valid. I'm pretty sure (again in Spain) you could sue them and win, but you'd have to carry the cost of suing them AND the benefit would…
Until I had to take my phone in for repairs and I wiped it beforehand (because I always wipe my devices before handing them in).
Upon restoring backup, I couldn't get past the "accept terms" screen so I was effectively locked out of my WhatsApp account.
Begrudgingly, I accepted them but gave no permissions (contacts, camera, mic, etc) and immediately requested deletion of my account.
Definitely not ideal as they had some of that information on their servers already.
There are just enough edge cases that they need that ability. Laws change, and they need to update to account for that. Sometimes the previous policy was wrong and they can't work at all without adding something that should have been there all along. Of course most of the time changes are not needed at all to get the job done, just to violate your privacy.
I understand if the previous policy is wrong by a few words/legalese terms. But in this case they either oh we forgot to include that we're mining all this data or they recently found out they can and started doing so. If a device was bought with privacy as a feature and then it flips 180 and you're locked out of using it with no recourse for returning it. To me it that seems as a clear violation of a consumer's righ…
I don't regret sticking to dumb appliances. I hate Smart TVs with a passion, but they are all you can get nowadays. But I can just throw the TV out the window if it stops working when I unplug it and continue living just fine. Not so much with my washer, dryer, stove, car and fridge/freezer. I do not look forward to the day you CAN'T buy a non-smart appliance like a fridge or water heater.
People here regularly recommend a brand of dumb tv that is very reasonable in terms of image quality.
And, since you did the bad thing, have you revoked/changed passwords/locked this piece of shit hardware out from the internet?
Rather than begging HN or yelling at a cloud (LG), what have YOU done to remedy this on your side?
1GB of data does not pass a reality check for me. What on Earth can they be collecting about your washing and drying that is so much data? Can you tell us what it comprises?
A quick Google seems to show they don't have built in voice control. That's just a huge amount of data if it's not sending some sort of media back home. Could always be poor programming for logging or something, but that wouldn't be my first suspect.
1GB of data does not pass a reality check for me. What on Earth can they be collecting about your washing and drying that is so much data? Can you tell us what it comprises?
So... Why did you give permission for a washer/dryer to talk online? And, since you did the bad thing, have you revoked/changed passwords/locked this piece of shit hardware out from the internet? Rather than begging HN or yelling at a cloud (LG), what have YOU done to remedy this on your side?
Yes all of that's already been done immediately after finding this out.
I'm new to HN, so I apologize in advance if this isn't the right place to post this.