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Ask HN: What do you think will come after Kubernetes?

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Re: Ask HN: What do you think will come after Kubernetes?

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It can be longer than you think. While our focus is on the parts of the industry that churn endlessly, the real typical pattern is that there's a cutting edge/early adopter churn, then typically some set of technologies "wins" and prevents anything from developing, if only because they raise the bar so high for what the competition has to do to be even remotely credible that it becomes impossible to do the work to displace the entrenched competition.

I think the most likely outcome is that K8S continues to entrench itself and essentially nothing ever displaces it on its own turf. Eventually, the game will move to some other turf and the process starts over.

My statement here is about general trends, and not a full explanation of how all software lifecycle works. My point here is more that if you look more carefully, it is not the case that everything everywhere is always in constant churn, therefore you can safely assume that K8S is on the verge of being displaced. The antecedent is not as true as it may appear on the surface. Under the boiling froth, there are many more things in the software space that are relatively stable.

Re: Ask HN: What do you think will come after Kubernetes?

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I very much hope to see Hashicorp Nomad getting more traction, as a simpler, yet feature rich solution to probably most use cases in our industry. Pretty interesting to see the adoption of podman and also micro-vms (like fly.io does it), and other Nomad providers that does not nessasarly need to be docker. I know there are great terraform modules out there already, but i wonder if many of Hashicorp's products soon wi…

Yeah i love nomad! We've been testing to migrate to it

Re: Ask HN: What do you think will come after Kubernetes?

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post #25

I very much hope to see Hashicorp Nomad getting more traction, as a simpler, yet feature rich solution to probably most use cases in our industry. Pretty interesting to see the adoption of podman and also micro-vms (like fly.io does it), and other Nomad providers that does not nessasarly need to be docker. I know there are great terraform modules out there already, but i wonder if many of Hashicorp's products soon wi…

I love how easy it is to get up and running with Nomad + Consul, I really hope to see them gain more traction as well

Re: Ask HN: What do you think will come after Kubernetes?

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An abstract layer to automate the creation of k8s which is an abstract layer to automate application deployment and application management What we need is an abstract layer to automate the systems underneath so we can leverage that abstraction and create more complexity There are still some folks who understand the abstraction all the way up and down. We cant have that

Ironically the success of unix/linux is that it is a very effective and uniform abstraction to accessing network, compute, storage and memory resources. The big win of kubernetes is not that it lets you get access to computational resources easier (yaml rather than systemd scripts) but that it is a temporary escape on the "file a ticket to get new compute resources" (temporary because just like picking up hardware fo…

... and my skills are getting used to fix the issues that folks dont understand when these layers break

Keep building those layers... thats job security

Re: Ask HN: What do you think will come after Kubernetes?

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I think Kubernetes will be a part of things (as Docker still is) but it'll be the next level of abstraction -- the thing that turns Kubernetes into Heroku. There's been a few popping up recently, time will tell who wins

What have you seen in that space so far?

OpenShift is also an alternative: https://www.redhat.com/en/technologies/cloud-computing/opens...

Had some fun a few years ago with toy projects. Can't tell its current state...

Re: Ask HN: What do you think will come after Kubernetes?

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For serverless, the move to much lighter runtimes like cloudflare workers or deno deploy seems like an obvious improvement. If you build your entire app on the Cloudflare "Stack" that could mean serious lock in, but it could also go in an open standard direction. I think to "replace" k8s it needs to be something that many people can run in different places. Would love to see an open serverless application runtime based on v8 workers. I think a future based on a whole lot more JS and WASM is not unlikely.

But maybe monoliths are the way, as many commenters are hoping for, because sure, distributed systems are hard, no matter how nice the abstraction.

Re: Ask HN: What do you think will come after Kubernetes?

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post #25

I very much hope to see Hashicorp Nomad getting more traction, as a simpler, yet feature rich solution to probably most use cases in our industry. Pretty interesting to see the adoption of podman and also micro-vms (like fly.io does it), and other Nomad providers that does not nessasarly need to be docker. I know there are great terraform modules out there already, but i wonder if many of Hashicorp's products soon wi…

You can pay hashicorp (a lot) and they manage things for you https://www.hashicorp.com/contact-sales

One company I worked with went managed, another one didn't. I think hashicorp stuff is too barebone in general. I noticed way less headaches with the managed solution and I would just host it with them.

In contrast, I feel comfortable running a k8s cluster for a smaller business of mine.

Re: Ask HN: What do you think will come after Kubernetes?

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post #55
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically the success of unix/linux is that it is a very effective and uniform abstraction to accessing network, compute, storage and memory resources. The big win of kubernetes is not that it lets you get access to computational resources easier (yaml rather than systemd scripts) but that it is a temporary escape on the "file a ticket to get new compute resources" (temporary because just like picking up hardware fo…

... and my skills are getting used to fix the issues that folks dont understand when these layers break Keep building those layers... thats job security

And strace and tcpdump (and now perf and friends) can still fix almost any problem with access to the source and enough thought.
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