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Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And as far as I can tell that’s America only, nevermind Europe and Australia...

In UK employees are more likely to get furloughed, where they are paid 80% of their salary from the government, do not work but keep their job.

In the Netherlands similar. Government pays 90%, employer the other 10% and can't fire anyone.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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I’ve been checking layoffs.fyi every day and it is incredibly bleak

This is looking 2001-dot-com-crash bad, but much, much faster. It's worth remembering there are plenty of companies not laying people off, and "normal" will return eventually. That said, I was watching The Big Short yesterday, and a line that I had noted before haunted me even more: "For every 1% unemployment goes up [in the USA], 40,000 people die". Stay safe, stay positive.

Given that peopled art forced to stay at home with families, I am a little worried that other negative statistics are going to rise. I expect we will see an increase in divorces and abuses of various types. A lot of people need, but are not getting personal space.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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I wish there was some kind of list for the UK. Our news services are shockingly bad.

Although lots of UK companies won't be making any redundancies until the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme ends. It's much easier to put UK workers on the 80% pay furlough scheme than firing them. As soon as that money dries up expect companies to make lots of mass redundancies. It's going to be interesting to see the UK government's exit strategy from this crisis, immediately terminating the scheme before the economy…

For companies letting go more than 100 people, there is a mandatory consultation period of 45 days, and 30 days for more than 20. There was actually a story a few days ago that this scheme needed to be extended soon or some employers would be legally obliged to start that process. Not sure if that happened yet.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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post #19

You're fired!

Fired by hackernews would be novel.

Given that nowadays it's common for current and former employers(I know you're reading this, Wiktor) to track our social media presence I wouldn't be surprised if that already happened.

I mean, firing via e.g. Twitter is a thing.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

#55

I wish there was some kind of list for the UK. Our news services are shockingly bad.

Mandatory consulting period for UK redundancies is 30 days or 45 days for larger employers - while some may have started it won't be hitting yet. It's the small companies to watch out for; can't have a consultation if you're insolvent.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

#56
a quote i remembered from twitter: "This is the best time to get rid of employees".

a startup based in London just fired 10% of their workforce. all were given two options: government's furlough scheme where the state pays 80% of the salary, or outright dismissal. interestingly, half chose to quit.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

#57

Ask HN: Who is looking to be fired?

Not looking to be fired but this whole working from home business is getting me down (been WFH for 6 weeks now).

Video calls with friends and co-workers doesn't cut it, plus the 1 hour mandatory exercise.

I'd rather change jobs and be outside chopping wood or something that is "productive".

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

#58

CircleCI. Last week during covid crisis, all while announcing a $100m Series E round of financing, they let some employees go and did not offer any severance. Disorganized management, and with some teams, passive-aggressive management style. Would not recommend joining...

Wow that’s nasty! Will be steering clear of them for my CI needs.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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post #12

In some companies it feels like they are firing the people that they could not easily get rid of otherwise - cutting of the bottom 25% of staff (based on low performance reviews or personal grudges).

Statistically-speaking, this will disproportionately effect women and minorities (low performance reviews !necessarily= low performance when implicit bias is present, which again, statistically-speaking, it is). Certainly these times suck for everyone, but there go the careers of black, brown, and female millennials with yet another black mark on their CVs before they've hit their 40s.

errrgh stop racebaiting.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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post #26

CircleCI. Last week during covid crisis, all while announcing a $100m Series E round of financing, they let some employees go and did not offer any severance. Disorganized management, and with some teams, passive-aggressive management style. Would not recommend joining...

How would you characterize the quality of CircleCI? I've spent quite a few hours trying to work out mysterious bugs in a build process that runs fine locally. This morning the web ui was full of 'client error' messages.

We've seen great results since switching from Circle to Buildkite, not the least of which is cost, but you have to be willing to do a little bit of your own IT work.
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