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Ask HN: My company wants my side project. What can I do?

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Re: Ask HN: My company wants my side project. What can I do?

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They want the codebase or the project name,github and websites? If they just want the codebase it's a simple OSS fork, why would they need your permission?

They could surely fork it and take it from there. They would rather want that they own the code-base so that their enterprise customers can be assured that it is a product that they control and own.

My product, unintentionally, solves a lot of problems for the enterprise product that my company sells.

Re: Ask HN: My company wants my side project. What can I do?

#53
post #49

Find a lawyer, ASAP, that specializes in employment and / or IP. This is a legal issue and you need to solve it with people that know the law. Talking, signing, admitting things, etc, only hurt you. Depending on your country and state, as well as your employment agreement, there are a lot of impactful variables. Intuition and personal relationships are not going to help you solve this issue, especially, absent knowin…

Thank you for the comment! I totally get what you and other threads are trying to say and I don't disagree with what you are saying. I probably should have cleared this out in my original post (my bad) that I do not wish to pursue the legal route. I personally feel that in my case, it will just drain everyone's energy for not much gain at the end. Also, personal relationships matter to me as well. I'm trying to find…

In that case, have you considered getting a lawyer just for the advice and not telling anyone about it? A lawyer you hire won't go around making threats without your permission, and they can at a minimum tell you if your plan has a massive flaw you've overlooked.

Re: Ask HN: My company wants my side project. What can I do?

#54

Find a lawyer, ASAP, that specializes in employment and / or IP. This is a legal issue and you need to solve it with people that know the law. Talking, signing, admitting things, etc, only hurt you. Depending on your country and state, as well as your employment agreement, there are a lot of impactful variables. Intuition and personal relationships are not going to help you solve this issue, especially, absent knowin…

But this is the obvious answer. OP didn't need you to tell him to get a lawyer. If he had that kind of money he'd be talking to a lawyer not us. I mean I know you meant well and I know I probably sound like a negative jerk but yeah of course it's a legal issue and he should talk to a lawyer. It's like if someone has a stomach ache and they asked online what it might be and someone tells them they should see a doctor.…

> An out-of-the-box idea might be to find a paralegal on FIVERR and ask them to dig up resources to read up on.

Ideas are a picodollar a dozen. Why don't you try this one and tell us how it works out? Or, at a minimum, find out if you could even theoretically hire a paralegal on Fiverr?

Re: Ask HN: My company wants my side project. What can I do?

#55
post #49

Find a lawyer, ASAP, that specializes in employment and / or IP. This is a legal issue and you need to solve it with people that know the law. Talking, signing, admitting things, etc, only hurt you. Depending on your country and state, as well as your employment agreement, there are a lot of impactful variables. Intuition and personal relationships are not going to help you solve this issue, especially, absent knowin…

Thank you for the comment! I totally get what you and other threads are trying to say and I don't disagree with what you are saying. I probably should have cleared this out in my original post (my bad) that I do not wish to pursue the legal route. I personally feel that in my case, it will just drain everyone's energy for not much gain at the end. Also, personal relationships matter to me as well. I'm trying to find…

If you really want a to have a part of the product that you created you need to know your options/rights.

If you don't want to spend money on lawyers, at least read all relevant laws (which is important even if you have lawyer around you).

It's also better if your company doesn't know about your preparation, as it can be used as defence weapon in the negotiations only if you would get a worse position than what you have rights for anyways. Preparing in secret also helps you get more evidence for your case.

Re: Ask HN: My company wants my side project. What can I do?

#56
First you need to decide what you want exactly unless you know exactly what you want talking to the lawyers or even your company is pointless as you need to know your position before you can start any kind of real negotiation 1. financial ompensation 2. Control over what happens in the future with the code.

Re: Ask HN: My company wants my side project. What can I do?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But this is the obvious answer. OP didn't need you to tell him to get a lawyer. If he had that kind of money he'd be talking to a lawyer not us. I mean I know you meant well and I know I probably sound like a negative jerk but yeah of course it's a legal issue and he should talk to a lawyer. It's like if someone has a stomach ache and they asked online what it might be and someone tells them they should see a doctor.…

> If he had that kind of money he'd be talking to a lawyer not us. He, and you, may not know that you do not always need money up front to engage the services of a lawyer. Many lawyers extend credit to their clients or allow clients to condition their fee on a successful outcome (a contingent fee). Depending on the desired outcome in this case, such an arrangement may be easy. For example, if OP wants to arrange a sa…

My point is you don't need to say obvious things. It's a waste of everyone's time.

Re: Ask HN: My company wants my side project. What can I do?

#58
post #46
post #32

What kind of outcome do you want? Most of the responses here concentrate on trying to get some kind of financial return for your work. That's important, but for you it might not be the most important thing (you were giving it away and working on it in your spare time, right?) Consider asking to make it your full time job, or something like that. You clearly know the field well, and you've managed to build community.…

> What kind of outcome do you want? I wish I knew myself better. Maintenance and taking the product forward will naturally become part of my job, so that's a given (and I'm happy about it). What can I ask more for is what I'm trying to figure out and having a hard time. I'm generally creative with software and products but I'm really bad when it comes to negotiations and figuring out a good barter. I absolutely don't…

> I'm really bad when it comes to negotiations and figuring out a good barter.

> I absolutely don't want to take the legal route and want to work something out mutually.

You know, a good lawyer is both good at listening to his client’s goals and good at negotiating. Such a lawyer would avoid a “scorched earth” outcome, if that’s what you want, and also negotiate a better deal than you could on your own. Lawyers who specialize in business transactions are sometimes called transactional lawyers (as opposed to litigators, who specialize in asserting claims in court).

Re: Ask HN: My company wants my side project. What can I do?

#60
Are you covered by California laws? IANAL / AFAIK, CA considers a) if you live in CA, B) if the company is based in CA, C) if most of the actual work was done in CA.

There are special, state-wide rights that you have in CA that you cannot sign away, some of which apply to work like this.

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