I've been told I have a perfect pitch (by people in music business). I learned violin since the age of 7 by ear. I went to after school classes for that and technically I was supposed to learn from notes and the fact that I would just throw them out and learn a piece by ear in no time annoyed my teachers and peers quite a bit. They would ask me to tune their instruments before concerts though. Later I learned keyboar…
Ask HN: What does it feel like to master playing an instrument by ear?
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#52i tend to play by ear but it's more of a bad habit with limited usefulness than anything else, there's no real reason to romanticize it. simply spend enough time with any instrument and producing the right sounds will become intuitive. >I want to know what it feels like to be able to play an instrument without needing so much trial and error. then i highly suggest you focus on learning music theory rather than trying…
in any genre which involves improvising with other musicians, it is hard to do that if you can't follow by ear what they are doing
all the music theory knowledge in the world won't help you in that situation if you can't hear what the other players are playing
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#53The intuition will come, after countless hours getting to know your instrument and your music. The easiest way for me to start was to practice with songs that I already knew. It's easier to train your fingers when you aren't worried about training your ears at the same time. Learning a new song on top of a new instrument is double the work for a beginner.
I'll also highly recommend trying to learn scales and arpeggios by ear. Scales being your "do re mi fa sol la ti do", and arpeggios being the thirds of those scales. There are lots of youtube videos of musicians playing scales and arpeggios, look those up and try on your own instrument. This will help you build muscle memory and allow your brain to make more intuitive aural decisions. No one LIKES practicing the basics, but there is a reason why they are drilled into musicians at even the highest of level of conservatories.
As you play songs you know, you will start to notice things like the "steps" between notes, and what those "steps" sound like. Oh those notes sound just like the notes from that other song, I'll bet this is a 5th too. This melody is just a drawn out descending scale, I know how to play that.
Lastly, have fun. It is normal to get frustrated or have "off" days when practicing. Mistakes are NORMAL, and mistakes can be good! Try to push through those moments and end your practice sessions on a high note (heh). Come down off of a particularly difficult practice session by going through scales again, or playing a song that you know. We want POSITIVE associations with music, not grumpy ones. If you are having an off day, don't force it. Come back the next day ready to bang out some tunes.
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#54Learning on your own will get you at best to 70% of your potential, at which point you'll hit a wall because of all the bad habits you've developed which impair "effortless" play style. You'll get tired faster, injure yourself more, and you'll be so tense or badly positioned that some things will simply be impossible for you. From there, it's nearly impossible to fix things because you'll have to deconstruct almost everything and start afresh.
Put in the work & effort. There's never enough time to do it right, but there's always enough time to do it again.
Re: Ask HN: What does it feel like to master playing an instrument by ear?
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fun fact: I am now learning theory and chord names. I was in a band in college and I could never play along with the properly trained. "Can you play that in a C minor pentatonic scale?" "Yeah!... So what frets are those?"
And now days you just browse [www.fretflip.com]( https://www.fretflip.com/021634424968 ) on your cellphone and booom you got that instantly! Or.. now days you just know that stuff by heart :-)
Back to the original question, almost everything music-related comes down to “practice”. In this case practice discerning intervals between notes (there are mobile apps). Practice scales. Practice scales with interval jumps (first to third to fifth, or whatever). Practice scales starting on (say) the third.
But first and foremost, as already mentioned here, get a teacher. Show them this post. They can set you on the start of your journey. Be forewarned, it will be a multi-year process of consistent practice. Getting in a hurry will be your biggest enemy.
How long does it take, OP asks? Depends on how hard and how well you practice. There probably is some ethereal quality we call “talent” that plays a small part, but if decades of playing music has taught me anything, it is that your level of dedication to the instrument is a larger factor than “talent”. Because the most “talented” musicians I know coincidentally play a lot. :-)
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#56I learned the guitar playing by ear. As a kid I would just lock myself in my bedroom and play along with my CDs until my fingers were raw. It's a lot of screwing up, starting the song over, and trying again until it sounds right. I started doing this about 20 years ago so I've had quite a bit of practice, but at this point it's really a great feeling to listen to a song on YouTube and know pretty much before I pick u…
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> So just go out there and fiddle with your instrument and play along to stuff you like!
yes. that.
what does it "feel like" ? doesn't "feel like" much of anything. For me it's just a _lack_ of hunting around for the right note.
it's like the difference between learning to ride a bicycle and _knowing_ how to ride a bicycle. Knowing doesn't "feel" like much. you just get on and ride. Learning requires effort and concentration. Once you know ... you just do it and don't think about it.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
And now days you just browse [www.fretflip.com]( https://www.fretflip.com/021634424968 ) on your cellphone and booom you got that instantly! Or.. now days you just know that stuff by heart :-)
Yeah, but this ain’t The Matrix where you just pull it up, and now you know kung fu. You still need to practice that Cm pentatonic, or you’re just going to fumble around on the fly. For instance, as an experienced musician, I think to myself, “oh, C pentatonic, flat the third”. Live, on the fly, and I’ll probably play a few natural thirds, but hey, we’re jammin’, who cares? Back to the original question, almost every…
There parallels between software and music proficiency are pretty strong in this regard. There is a big difference between a clever person who can learn quickly and an experienced programmer with niche domain knowledge earned over years. In the same way musicianship is more than being able to play an instrument.
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#58Think of the piano keys (chromatic scale) as the alphabet, and theory as the language that makes words from it.
Tbh a little theory goes a long way. It’s all related and your understanding will build over time. You’ll start to see patterns.
Just start off learning how to play a simple song. Then, try to think about what key is this song in? What chords make up that key? What intervals am I playing? How would I transpose this song into a different key? Etc.
You can teach yourself, but a teacher or good course will accelerate the process.
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#59I recommend that you learn using every resource available to you, build a vocabulary of music you can draw on while you're at the harmonium, and then go about discovering music by ear. Forcing yourself to learn the skill of harmonium playing only by trial and error is an unnecessary constraint, and it will take you much longer to play fluently by ear.
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#60I think some basic theory and ability to read music helps.
The best way to get better is to play with other musicians who are better than you This can be stressful and it might not last long since they may get tired of playing with someone below their level. However being humble and honest about your abilities (with them) goes a long way.
For me, the feeling is a lot like coming home from a great first date: you can’t stop thinking about it and your willing to sacrifice other parts of your life to schedule it again as soon as possible.
Good luck!