Ask HN: Plenty of large sites down; Reddit.com, GNU.org, Discord, coincidence? • Hacker News Board

Re: Ask HN: Plenty of large sites down; Reddit.com, GNU.org, Discord, coincidence?

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Post by pigscantfly » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 4:48 PM UTC

IloveHN84 wrote: post #16

Is AWS/Azure/GCE down? Remember: the cloud is someone's else computer. When it's broken, you cannot do anything

Speculating here, but I was woken a half-hour back by an SMS from our prod monitoring system. The people at Azure had required maintenance for some instances scheduled for this morning, which I had had performed during the scheduled window over the last two weeks, but they seem to have brought down two thirds of the instances anyways. Possibly unrelated; just my two cents.

Re: Ask HN: Plenty of large sites down; Reddit.com, GNU.org, Discord, coincidence?

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Post by apple4ever » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 4:50 PM UTC

nik736 wrote: post #26

IloveHN84 wrote: post #16

Is AWS/Azure/GCE down? Remember: the cloud is someone's else computer. When it's broken, you cannot do anything

So what? I would rather have Google/Amazon employees on the issue than some random DevOps dude.

I wouldn’t. Hire the right person and you have immediate response instead of waiting or somebody else. A large reason we are not going cloud for our new infrastructure.

Re: Ask HN: Plenty of large sites down; Reddit.com, GNU.org, Discord, coincidence?

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Post by solarkraft » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 4:51 PM UTC

dullgiulio wrote: post #25

IloveHN84 wrote: post #16

Is AWS/Azure/GCE down? Remember: the cloud is someone's else computer. When it's broken, you cannot do anything

Would be big news to discover that GNU.org runs on some cloud hosting ...

I'd rather expect it to be a problem with some other provider. Proxy, or something.

Re: Ask HN: Plenty of large sites down; Reddit.com, GNU.org, Discord, coincidence?

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Post by zacharycohn » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 4:58 PM UTC

nik736 wrote: post #26

IloveHN84 wrote: post #16

Is AWS/Azure/GCE down? Remember: the cloud is someone's else computer. When it's broken, you cannot do anything

So what? I would rather have Google/Amazon employees on the issue than some random DevOps dude.

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Re: Ask HN: Plenty of large sites down; Reddit.com, GNU.org, Discord, coincidence?

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Post by nik736 » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 5:03 PM UTC

apple4ever wrote: post #52

nik736 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what? I would rather have Google/Amazon employees on the issue than some random DevOps dude.

I wouldn’t. Hire the right person and you have immediate response instead of waiting or somebody else. A large reason we are not going cloud for our new infrastructure.

And this one person never sleeps and is 24/7 on-call, right?

Re: Ask HN: Plenty of large sites down; Reddit.com, GNU.org, Discord, coincidence?

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Post by throwawaymath » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 5:05 PM UTC

nik736 wrote: post #26

IloveHN84 wrote: post #16

Is AWS/Azure/GCE down? Remember: the cloud is someone's else computer. When it's broken, you cannot do anything

So what? I would rather have Google/Amazon employees on the issue than some random DevOps dude.

In fairness one "random DevOps dude" might be equally capable and less expensive for your infrastructure. Generally speaking any software company can succeed without a cloud provider's infrastructure, it's just a matter of cost and developing that competency in-house. There are many site reliability engineers who specialize in high availability and downtime resolution on baremetal hardware. StackExchange notably has this competency internally.

Re: Ask HN: Plenty of large sites down; Reddit.com, GNU.org, Discord, coincidence?

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Post by geofft » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 5:07 PM UTC

nik736 wrote: post #55

apple4ever wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn’t. Hire the right person and you have immediate response instead of waiting or somebody else. A large reason we are not going cloud for our new infrastructure.

And this one person never sleeps and is 24/7 on-call, right?

and isn't about to quit once they have a little more money saved up?

Re: Ask HN: Plenty of large sites down; Reddit.com, GNU.org, Discord, coincidence?

#58

Post by terminalcommand » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 5:10 PM UTC

thiscatis wrote: post #49

batuhanicoz wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the relation/reference. I'm Turkish and have been watching the news but I don't see any reason why someone correlates large websites being down with Turkey. With no explanation too. Can you elaborate please? This is an honest question and I would like to know if my government is hacking foreign sites in retaliation for sanctions.

Well Trump obliterated any chance of a decent lira value for the next years with his tweets and sanctions.

Why would you think that Turkey would retaliate against Trump's tweets by taking down reddit and GNU.org? I don't think that the Turkish government has nearly enough technical knowledge to pull of something like that. That is the problem with Turkey right now, it seems to me that the government doesn't want to work with qualified people.

Re: Ask HN: Plenty of large sites down; Reddit.com, GNU.org, Discord, coincidence?

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Post by hluska » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 5:38 PM UTC

apple4ever wrote: post #52

nik736 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what? I would rather have Google/Amazon employees on the issue than some random DevOps dude.

I wouldn’t. Hire the right person and you have immediate response instead of waiting or somebody else. A large reason we are not going cloud for our new infrastructure.

Beware of the bus factor! Going in house is great, as long as everything is well documented and your company has good backup resources.

Re: Ask HN: Plenty of large sites down; Reddit.com, GNU.org, Discord, coincidence?

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Post by hluska » Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 5:40 PM UTC

devwastaken wrote: post #46

leot wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Infrastructure (ops, software, hiring, social) matters. Hiring some dude won't give you that.

Problem being that Infrastructure is made to be very, very compicated because they're selling tons of managed features that have reliance upon each other. I don't know why this idea of having your own devops is suddenly now bad. renting your own bare hardware and managing solutions yourself is still very much a thing and something you have to do if you're using lots of bandwidth. Dropbox for example made their own in…

I don't think that anyone thinks having your own infrastructure is bad, or if they do, they likely don't have much experience. Rather, I think it can be a nightmare if it's not properly managed, and it's hard to develop the skill to properly manage the process unless you've been burned in the past.