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Re: Ask HN: How to eat and drink properly?

#51
the same way i approach learning anything new

i try to break it down into first principles, then try to break those principles into components and start to familiarise myself with as much information as possible

it can help to apply arbitrary constraints to aide in reducing the initial barrier of entry

from there you can start to construct your own diet around your interests, your body, and your goals

one day i became obsessed with cinnamon and would put it on everything

once i ran out of the cinnamon i had i went out to get more and learned there are different kinds of cinnamon

from different places with different preparation practices that result in different flavors, of cinnamon

so i'd try one, then another, then another, and eventually i developed a preference, now i know what kind of cinnamon i like.. and why

there is a lot to consider in regards to food and diet, but that is mostly what attracts me to it

for the most part it is an unsolved problem, but there are many great theories and theorems in regard its practice

curiosity ensures development

Re: Ask HN: How to eat and drink properly?

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It's (eating a lot of bread and grains) necessary for the majority of the planet that cannot afford such a diet.

That's not necessarily true. Peanuts and oils from other vegetable sources (canola, mustard, soybean, corn, coconut) are full of fat, cheap to grow and reasonably healthy. Beans, legumes, eggs and dairy are protein-rich and also quite cheap. Keto doesn't have to mean steak and bacon-wrapped shrimp every meal.

Vegetable polyunsaturated oil is not healthy.

Re: Ask HN: How to eat and drink properly?

#53
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not necessarily true. Peanuts and oils from other vegetable sources (canola, mustard, soybean, corn, coconut) are full of fat, cheap to grow and reasonably healthy. Beans, legumes, eggs and dairy are protein-rich and also quite cheap. Keto doesn't have to mean steak and bacon-wrapped shrimp every meal.

Vegetable polyunsaturated oil is not healthy.

Citation? This is what I found searching "vegetable polyunsaturated":

"Polyunsaturated fats can have a beneficial effect on your heart when eaten in moderation and when used to replace saturated fat and trans fat in your diet."[1]

1. https://healthyforgood.heart.org/Eat-smart/Articles/Polyunsa...

Re: Ask HN: How to eat and drink properly?

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This is great advice because every additional ingredient you add reduces your risk of colon cancer.

Since when does water or beef cause colon cancer?

At least since 2005.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/red-meat-a...

Re: Ask HN: How to eat and drink properly?

#55

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This is great advice because every additional ingredient you add reduces your risk of colon cancer.

Since when does water or beef cause colon cancer?

Red meat has been considered a risk factor for a while now.

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/colon-rectal-cancer/causes-ris...

Re: Ask HN: How to eat and drink properly?

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vegetable polyunsaturated oil is not healthy.

Citation? This is what I found searching "vegetable polyunsaturated": "Polyunsaturated fats can have a beneficial effect on your heart when eaten in moderation and when used to replace saturated fat and trans fat in your diet."[1] 1. https://healthyforgood.heart.org/Eat-smart/Articles/Polyunsa...

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturated-oils.shtml

Re: Ask HN: How to eat and drink properly?

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You shouldn't avoid sugar, you need it to live; glucose is the fuel your body runs on. I assume you mean refined sugar.

Your body can turn fat into glucose by gluconeogenesis. Sugar is okay if and only if there is a high fiber count as well. Ketogenic and Paleolithic diets show that high sugar intake, especially with breads, grains, and refined sugar is not healthy and not necessary.

sorry for the rant..

looking at human history it was starches that kept people surviving and striving. there is no real long term data on keto diets. i personally experimented with high/low carb and the simplified gist is: low carb works because you take away the carbs. high carb works because you take away the fat. protein doesn't really matter. but see for example "whole" from campbell on the potentially negative effect of excess protein. excess is pretty much more than 5-10%. look at graham and many more wfpb 80/10/10 athletes.

anyway, i'm currently on high carb, wfpb, tropical fruit. eating sometimes 5000 kcals a day. exercising less than an hour a day. max 5 days a week. spending rest of time at the computer. keeping my weight. 44 years btw.

there seem to be non-trivial relationships between the macros. and you need to look at the micro nutrients if you want to support long term health.

if you look at how much sicker the general population gets, it's really hard to argue that dairy, eggs and meat are really "healthy". only the greens in keto diets will compensate for the negative effects of animal products. again, see whole, and how not to die and many more. in there you find (by now thousands! of) studies on this. get rid of animal products and stick to fruits and vegetables if you prefer raw food, or starches and vegetables otherwise to avoid burdening your body in the first place.

i really don't get how this knowledge has not reach "the computer people". i understand how the industries control the government and "the general population". but "us guys and gals" have the information at our finger tips. so weird.. :-) read up on how the tobacco industry fought like 50 years ago. the same is happening with meat etc. eventually they will have to add the same labels to meat etc like we see on cigarettes today. the government websites already contain warnings about meat, dairy and eggs causing cancer. the industry pays a lot of money to keep the government from promoting a healthy diet.

well.. main issue i see with high carb wfpb is that people at some point are really too sick to properly digest grains etc. that's why keto diets work so well for many people. let's wait and see about their long term effect. (then again, on a personal note, i'm hoping all these meat-promoting keto people die of cancer sooner rather than later. it's a karma thing. the cruelty against helpless creatures in meat dairy and egg farms.. not cool.. no matter what you may believe.. not cool..) anyway, i was really f*ed up from unhealthy eating for like 30 years. i got rid of my 30+ years allergies and chronic sinusitis by water and juice fasting for two months. and i settled with a high carb wfpb 80-100% raw diet. raw because i have access to fresh tropical fruits. which isn't a given for everyone in germany.. :-) feeling really good so far. on a side note: but i do consider trying out the Dr. Nun Amen-Ra diet at some point.

Re: Ask HN: How to eat and drink properly?

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Eat a variety of foods in your diet and most of the micronutrient stuff works itself out. You have a problem when you stick to a regimented meal plan, always eating the same sets of foods. If you're worried about it, grab a multivitamin. Other than that, it depends on how heavily you want to keep track and for what purpose.

You want to look at Mc Dougall's Starch Solution. It can be argued (studies included) that a few foods are enough if you consume enough of it. Potatoes are an example.

I'm not saying you should only eat a few foods. But Adding multi vitamins has been shown to be somewhat more on the detrimental side. See for example How Not To Die by Dr Greger.

Just my two cents..

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