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Re: Ask HN: Team for Hire?

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Post by toomuchtodo »

chattamatt wrote: post #43

Please know that this post does not represent the views of all of us at this office. While I appreciate the effort to place us as a team, I feel this effort in particular does not represent the professional nature in which we conduct ourselves, and was posted without the permission of all of us on the team.

I really, really want to second what eldavido said.

* This is not unprofessional

* It's fair if you'd prefer to opt out

* I don't believe this reflects poorly on OP at all.

Your employer is closing an office. Your team supposedly has a positive dynamic, which has value, value your employer is passing on. Why would it be unprofessional or unethical to advertise this when said employer is cutting the team loose?

I do not mean this to call out chattamatt; this comment is for those who come next who think about doing the same thing: no one is looking out for your best interests besides you. There is nothing wrong with putting an offer such as this out (except for those who may not want to participate, OP should've checked with his team for those who might have not wanted to be included)

EDIT: @chattamatt (HN commenting throttle has kicked in, I can't reply to your comment below)

I'm very sorry your team has to go through this. I hope this thread provides the necessary resources for everyone to make a successful leap to a new employment opportunity, regardless if its the entire team or individuals on their own. I can also appreciate how you feel about being represented without your consent, and my comment notes that isn't acceptable.

Re: Ask HN: Team for Hire?

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Post by toomuchtodo »

gkop wrote: post #50
eldavido wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SF-based dev here. This behavior (OP) doesn't come off as unprofessional at all. You have nothing to worry about. I get that you might feel upset if this was posted without your consent, but tech is becoming hollywood and there are plenty of people who'd like to hire a proven team. I'm really interested in the belief system that led you to post this message. Details?

The OP could have declined to mention OpenTable by name in order to save OpenTable the embarassment.

> in order to save OpenTable the embarrassment.

Don't do something embarrassing if you want to be saved embarrassment. If you're closing a branch office, but providing the option for people to move to SF, that's important information future candidates should know about how your business operates.

Re: Ask HN: Team for Hire?

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Post by tlrobinson »

chattamatt wrote: post #43

Please know that this post does not represent the views of all of us at this office. While I appreciate the effort to place us as a team, I feel this effort in particular does not represent the professional nature in which we conduct ourselves, and was posted without the permission of all of us on the team.

Honestly, this comment seemed more unprofessional to me than the original. Just leave it at "This post does not represent the views of the entire team".

Re: Ask HN: Team for Hire?

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Post by mtalantikite »

LargeCompanies wrote: post #25
wilwade wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) Outside of family and homes, the cost of living is just crazy. Especially with a family. Also the area is more family friendly than SF (since I was there last). Commute is short and easy. Plus trees (different than SF). 2) Yes 3) No 4) As always comments are my own and may not reflect the opinions of my employer. (They have been quite kind in offering time and space to assist in job transition.) 5) These differ ar…

Heck yeah anywhere in TN vs. SAN Francisco. There's about a zero homeless epedemic(it's very sad to see/experience how many suffer on the streets there) in Nashville and elsewhere compared to the Mecca of that SAN Fran. Cost of living is great.. mountains.. fresh air.. no people shouting crazy stuff with a megaphone and more. Note I live and am from the D.C. area and graduated from MTSU.. visited SAN Fran many times…

Homelessness is not just about pan handlers on the street and other visible forms of homelessness. A lot of the time you can't tell someone is homeless, or is experiencing intermittent homelessness.

A quick google seems to point to about 4000 people in Chattanooga experiencing homelessness per year. SF has concrete stats that are easy to find [1] and points to 7,539 experiencing homelessness per year. Based on total populations (173,366 people in Chattanooga, 837,442 in SF), the percentage is actually a lot higher in Chattanooga than in SF.

Liking a small city is totally fine of course, but it's not correct to assume SF is completely overrun by homelessness whereas Chattanooga doesn't have any.

[1] Warning, PDF: https://sfgov.org/lhcb/sites/default/files/2015%20San%20Fran...

Re: Ask HN: Team for Hire?

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Post by gkop »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #52
gkop wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The OP could have declined to mention OpenTable by name in order to save OpenTable the embarassment.

> in order to save OpenTable the embarrassment. Don't do something embarrassing if you want to be saved embarrassment. If you're closing a branch office, but providing the option for people to move to SF, that's important information future candidates should know about how your business operates.

My comment wasn't intended to be normative, just giving one perspective through which the OP could be perceived as unprofessional.

Re: Ask HN: Team for Hire?

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Post by toomuchtodo »

gkop wrote: post #55
toomuchtodo wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> in order to save OpenTable the embarrassment. Don't do something embarrassing if you want to be saved embarrassment. If you're closing a branch office, but providing the option for people to move to SF, that's important information future candidates should know about how your business operates.

My comment wasn't intended to be normative, just giving one perspective through which the OP could be perceived as unprofessional.

Intent can be hard to interpret over an online discussion. My apologies.

Re: Ask HN: Team for Hire?

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Post by LargeCompanies »

oxryly1 wrote: post #37
LargeCompanies wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes less suffering in just about every US city then SAN Fran in this regards. Thankfully it's not seen that/as much in Nashville and Baltimore. More in the latter then the former.

Sometimes ignorance is bliss. Or at least better quality of life :p

I come at this from all angles from less people suffering to personally having to feel bad about their situation vs my own.

Re: Ask HN: Team for Hire?

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Post by haney »

stray wrote: post #7
eganist wrote: post #2

http://nooga.com/174179/opentable-to-leave-chattanooga/ Interesting. I know there are Very good reasons for not relocating to either Los Angeles or San Francisco, but what were the specific reasons (aside from family/homes, if any) you and the team had for opting not to relocate? Further to this: 2) Were team members offered raises as part of a relocation package? 3) Were team members offered the opportunity to work…

I can't speak for OP, but Chattanooga is a pretty awesome place to be. I left Chattanooga for Boulder and it was the second stupidest thing I've ever done. Ok, maybe third.

I think I speak for everyone when I say that we miss having you in Chattanooga.

Re: Ask HN: Team for Hire?

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Post by oxryly1 »

LargeCompanies wrote: post #57
oxryly1 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes ignorance is bliss. Or at least better quality of life :p

I come at this from all angles from less people suffering to personally having to feel bad about their situation vs my own.

Ok, indulge me for minute... it sounds like you're saying that choosing to live somewhere like Chattanooga will -- by itself -- result in less people suffering.

Re: Ask HN: Team for Hire?

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Post by mrfusion »

sailfast wrote: post #40

If you can't find a group that will hire you as a team, perhaps you should start a consulting / product firm. There's overhead / non-dev work to setting up shop and starting a business development pipeline to get revenue in the door of course, but if you want to stick together, build great things, and keep your culture that's a solid option if others fail.

How do you start a business development pipeline?
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