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Re: Ask HN: What is your spiritual practice?

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post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think unless you have been both religious and atheist, it’s hard to compare which results in better morals and values. It’s a common misconception that having a god free life will result in an immoral or amoral existence. It’s simply not true. Leaving religion felt empowering and made me think seriously about which values mattered to me. Humans have always had the capacity to be good to each other inside them. The…

I did not claim that you can’t do good deeds without a belief in God, far from it. I simply stated that if you don’t have a belief in God, you don’t believe in the final and ultimate, judge. This makes it generally harder for us to do good, but not impossible. For instance, you now are focused on values that matter ”to you” , but a belief in God makes it easier to abide by values that matter to everyone else . Again…

> For instance, you now are focused on values that matter ”to you”, but a belief in God makes it easier to abide by values that matter to everyone else.

That right there is the root cause of all the problems with religions. If you don’t believe in what everyone else in the community believes in then you don’t belong to the community and hence you are the enemy. My god is the ultimate judge not 999 other gods out there.

Re: Ask HN: What is your spiritual practice?

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I am an Orthodox Christian. My day begins with prayer, as soon as possible after I wake up. Prayer consists of reading (or reciting) prayers from a prayer book, followed by 100-200 Jesus Prayers ("Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me!"), followed by 12-25 prostrations. I then read the daily scripture readings indicated by the liturgical calendar. At noon, I usually read a Psalm in front of my icons (I work from home)…

Jesus Christ, this is the kind of thing you read in the newspaper where some crazy religious guy kidnaps his family on a remote ranch and rapes them all. You’re torturing your family, wrapping them in a small bubble of a fantasy world. This extreme level of religious living is outright child abuse.

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Re: Ask HN: What is your spiritual practice?

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To be completely honest, I've never been able to figure out what "spiritual" actually means. Every use of it in the wild appears to be directly reducible to some other mundane meaning minus the rituals, which always led me to believe that rituals were the purpose. My father was a well-educated preacher and he could not explain it either when I was growing up, saying it existed mostly as a suitcase word that had no distinct constructive meaning, while also asserting it was nonetheless important to the nature of religion. He acknowledged this was an objectively poor answer that raised questions about why anyone should care but couldn't offer anything better. Yet there is this weird expectation that everyone should be "spiritual" in some way, and this expectation can be perfectly satisfied via trivial performance in practice.

So when people ask me if I am spiritual in some way, my response is always "I have no idea". When they try to explain it, it always ends up being equivalent to the reductionist meanings I've inferred by default. (Human languages have many suitcase words, many without any connection to religion, that encapsulate incoherent concept spaces. The idea of spirituality appears to be just one of many.)

Re: Ask HN: What is your spiritual practice?

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I was raised atheist by atheist parents. My mother was raised in one of the weirder Christian sects and got out of it before they married. I have always been an atheist despite growing up in a small town with a church on every block, including one whacky church that actually did things like book burnings and burning Michael Jackson in effigy for corrupting the youth. Most of my friends were catholic, growing up, and that led me online for friends on days when they had CCC. 300 baud hayes for the win and online atheist communities, etc.

That said, as I've gotten older, I think I've concluded that many people - maybe even most - have a sort of need for religion that I somehow never appreciated. Without religion, I think we end up with the modern world, and by that I mean the weird secular religions (on all parts of the political spectrum) that keep springing up in the absence of a formal church, complete with weird notions of sin, apocalyptic thinking, etc. As an outsider, and as someone fascinated by cults and moral panics, it's interesting how similar the structures and language are between these movements and (new) religions are.

So 100% atheist.. but a suspicion that the world would be better off, Chesterton's fence-style, with a dominant religion secretly run by atheists.

Re: Ask HN: What is your spiritual practice?

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post #223

I am a practicing Catholic. I have four kids all under 7. My normal day consists of feeding them, bathing them, calming tantrums, losing my temper, getting bitter at my lack of time for hobbies, and growing resentful of my lack of time for reading the Bible, praying, etc. But then I remember that this is a true dying to self. Not only a dying to self, but a dying to the world too as each of these sacrifices, failures…

It’s funny too, since some of those kids may eventually realize that they were brought here without their consent, and that they don’t actually like working and paying bills. You, suffering for them, then suffering for their existence, and a death of your previous self, in which you draw yourself as a type of martyr. No one’s happy on your road to Damascus, and yet you’re faith and community demand your consent to yo…

I don't disagree, but your post feels out of place. This Ask HN is "What is your spiritual practice?", not "Debate others' beliefs."

Re: Ask HN: What is your spiritual practice?

#496
wake up: offer my day to God, thank him for as many things as I can

morning: read the Bible

noon: pray a Rosary and offer the prayers for peace (generally) and healing (for specific people)

throughout the day: thank him, praise him, tell him my anxieties, ask him for help

evening: pray to saints, ask them to pray for me, praise God

night: examine my day, thank God, see where I faltered and wronged Him or my neighbor (anger, lust, sloth, etc.). Pray with my wife for people in our lives and in thanksgiving. Ask for restful sleep.

Always be praying! :)

Re: Ask HN: What is your spiritual practice?

#497
post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recently I was attending several catholic weddings and I was taken aback by the level of religious fervor and literal interpretation of the bible there. I was expecting the preaching to be more focused on how to live a good life and be a valuable member of society, but instead it was more about how I will burn eternally for not believing.

These attitudes come in cycles in the Roman church. There was a 50 year period of liberal thinking. The current has era has swung back to the conservative. When an organization has a 1600 year life span you can expect things like this. Just wait a while...

> There was a 50 year period of liberal thinking.

I'm not sure that's justifiable.

> The current has era has swung back to the conservative.

In the American particular Church more than in the Universal Church that seems correct. (Up through the papacy of Benedict XVI, I would have responded differently.)

Re: Ask HN: What is your spiritual practice?

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post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spirit doesn't necessarily mean God.

It certainly doesnt mean believing in nothing.

Also, being an atheist does not mean you lack any belief in the supernatural. For example, if I believed in ghosts but have no belief in god, I could still have spiritual experiences with my ancestors.

Re: Ask HN: What is your spiritual practice?

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I used to be devout Mormon, and a hardcore one at that. It was woven so deeply in my reality, that everything had spiritual significance for me. A few years ago, I encountered history, documents, and truths about the religion that were never presented to me. Since then, I've slowly, painfully, removed myself from the religion, and removed the religion from me. It's extremely painful to go from a space where everythin…

> I encountered history, documents, and truths about the religion that were never presented to me I encountered something like this but wasn't able to find it since; I think it was called something like the "blue document" or the "blue papers"; basically a very intelligent Mormon came up with a document with all of his very reasonable but quite heretical questions, and it caused quite a stir. Would love to track it d…

https://cesletter.org is probably what you are thinking about.

Re: Ask HN: What is your spiritual practice?

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post #147

In the morning, I think while drinking coffee. Then I really think in the shower. As a result I take long showers. Sometimes during the day, I'll sit back and think. While going to bed, I'll think some more. Usually I think about problems to solve, reflect on my life so far, course adjustments, things to self improve. One day I'll pick up a religion, but it seems like they all would require a lot of mental gymnastics…

> One day I'll pick up a religion, but it seems like they all would require a lot of mental gymnastics to keep consistent with my mental explorations. > I wish there was a "Debian Sid" religion Convert to Discordianism! We make mental gymnastics an Olympic sport! You are not only allowed to, but expected , nay, mandated to believe everything and nothing you want. You can compile your beliefs against any platform, arc…

Cool! I guess this aligns very closely to what I believe, or lack thereof :P
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