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Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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I'm an European, but I don't mind. First of all when making such a choice, you have to identify who the enemy is. If you're talking about global enemies, like the NSA, then IMO without end-to-end encryption you're screwed. And if you're targeted directly, you're screwed regardless, given they have the capability to use whatever vulnerabilities they can find in your router, your phone, your OS, your browser, etc. If i…

>"Organizations like EFF have been historically anti-government ..." Can you provide a citation or examples of this? Being pro-civil liberties does not imply anti-government. Those aren't mutually exclusive. In the US civil liberties are basic freedoms identified in the Bill or Rights and the Constitution. And the Constitution is what established the government in the first place. How is it possible to be pro-civil l…

The Bill of Rights is a set of restrictions on what the government can do. Of course you can support it and be anti-government.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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I'm doing the same thing, and I chose FastMail. It was easy to set up with a custom domain, and I've been making heavy use of aliases and plus addressing which I like. At least for my purposes, the web client is every bit as capable as the Gmail interface. I haven't tried to import mail from Gmail yet, but it looks straightforward.

The big drawback I think is that Gmail was the interface for Hangouts/Voice, so I either need to find good alternatives for those things, or keep my Gmail account around for that purpose.

I guess it feels a little weird to be paying for a personal email account, but for a single user it's not awful, and I end up owning the entire address. I think it's worth it.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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Stay on GMail, but don't log-in to the web interface. Instead use Thunderbird. That way you can read your mail without being forced logged-in to search or video.

Google has been making this harder and harder though (now calling Thunderbird insecure, and requiring you to allow insecure app's in the options), but it is a good canary in the coal mine: Once I can't avoid this unified/universal log-in, I'll know Google turned me into an adversary.

With this setup I deem Gmail to be the best service for privacy and security.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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I understand that, but paying 100x what a VPS would cost, that's a rip-off. (100x because a VPS can handle the email of 100 people or even more.)

But what does the price of a VPS have to do with anything? I doubt hosting would be their biggest cost.

Why shouldn't hosting be their biggest cost?

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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It's expensive if you think of what it costs to keep a mail server online. They have a price that clearly shows to me that they have no competition.

There is competition. It’s just that many people don’t know or haven’t tried them. Here are three providers on par with Fastmail but are way cheaper if you need multiple mailboxes — Posteo (posteo.de), Mailbox (mailbox.org) and Runbox (runbox.com). But I do believe that even these cheaper ones are expensive for what they provide in terms of storage capacity, number of aliases, etc. Costs are supposed to go down over…

also mailfence (fr), disroot (nl)

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

#496
You can use a standard email client hooked to Gmail to stop Google from getting your browsing data.

You can relay your Gmail to another account with read-only access, replying from a VM with only email use (I do this on my phone). Or, only get/send your email from a VM that does nothing else.

Because it seems like there's two issues here: Google gaining intel from your email itself, and Google gaining intel from your browsing data, gained from your use of Gmail in a browser. What I've suggested addresses browsing data.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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post #493

Stay on GMail, but don't log-in to the web interface. Instead use Thunderbird. That way you can read your mail without being forced logged-in to search or video. Google has been making this harder and harder though (now calling Thunderbird insecure, and requiring you to allow insecure app's in the options), but it is a good canary in the coal mine: Once I can't avoid this unified/universal log-in, I'll know Google tu…

I recently migrated to staying on GMail but using offlineimap and a program called notmuch to view and send mail. In this world I have all my mail locally, GMail is just an IMAP endpoint to store my mail.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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I've been using GMail/Google Inbox for awhile and thinking about switching. Now that Google's announced they'll be shutting down Inbox next year, I want to finally make the switch.

It seems like there's some consensus around FastMail for email. How's the calendar functionality with FastMail? Is there another good non-Google calendar alternative?

I also made heavy use of the task/notification/snooze feature in Inbox. Is there anything like that in FastMail? Is there another good task management app that anyone would recommend?

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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>Organizations like EFF have been historically anti-government, but very pro corporate and private companies. I don't think I'd call EFF either anti-government or pro-corporate. Rather, they have a set of positions around surveillance, the public domain, etc. and side with or against governments or private companies based on those positions. I donate to them, and in my experience they've been pretty consistent on the…

I don't want to attack EFF, I think they are on the right side, but it's just a general feeling I've got. For example when the Facebook and Cambridge Analytica scandal broke loose, that was the perfect opportunity for them to go out against private surveillance, guns blazing. Their reaction was late and with an article like " here's how to protect against Facebook tracking ", advising people to opt out in their Setti…

> guns blazing

Yeah, but what good would it have done? The privacy battle they're fighting with Facebook and social was lost a long time ago.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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FastMail. It's one of the few third party hosts to support push email on iOS with the native Mail app (it's a custom protocol based on APNS), since Mail doesn't implement IMAP IDLE [1]. They are also the main sponsors behind the JMAP protocol [2] and some open source projects such as the Cyrus IMAP server. [1]: https://fastmail.blog/2016/12/21/what-we-talk-about-when-we-... [2]: https://jmap.io

One thing to keep in mind about Fastmail is that all their servers are hosted in the US and they have no plan about changing this (I asked). Post-Snowden this means you can be quite sure that all mails will end up being analysed by the US authorities

How is their security? Maybe people like to forget, but security breaches are a thing, and when they occur you get the privilege of opening up your data to the entire world, not just to the NSA.

Google, for whatever else you want to say about them, have first-class security.

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