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Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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We don't allow genai text on HN itself - see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#generated and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079 . How to enforce it is a separate question, of course, but the rule exists. We don't have a similar rule yet about article content but my sense is that the community mostly doesn't want to read it—or, to put it more conservatively, discounts it. This is why we see s…

I'm going to 'detach this comment and move it to' the second level because I'm late to the party and the chance you'll see it will drop from slim to almost none (unless you have a reply detector?).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48887942

> They can't know for sure whether what they're saying is true or false, and we can't know for sure how we should moderate it.

(Regarding people identifying text as genai).

You could moderate like another widespread but hard to prove problem: Propaganda and dis/misinformation campaigns. It's easy to see lots of people repeating well-crafted talking points (too well-crafted for an ordinary person), shouting down those who disagree. Yet users are forbidden from identifying it as such in comments; we're told to email hn@ycombinator.com. You could do that for genai suspicions too (assuming you have unlimited time to review such things).

It seems like a witch hunt to me; I have little reason or evidence to believe people know - because people speaking with no evidence is never reliable, because the angry mob is prone to witch hunts, because genai's are trained on human writing making it harder to distinguish, because some factors people target (e.g., em dashes) have been widely used, and because a highly disruptive technology at this stage of adoption is highly prone to strong emotional reaction and misunderstanding.

I'm not sure it matters: As a rule, we should hold the human who puts their name on it fully responsible. If their assistant, their genai software, or their dog writes it, it doesn't matter. Their name is on it. Speakers don't blame their speechwriters - the speaker said it.

I'm not sure it matters because right now it seems like a big reactionary over-response. I doubt we'll care much in a few years.

The automated spam potential, in posts and in comments, is a problem. One solution is somehow raising the standard of posts and comments: if it's that easy to generate middling crap, it makes better content more valuable and available and it may raise the standard naturally.

Thanks!

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

#482
post #42

We don't allow genai text on HN itself - see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#generated and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079 . How to enforce it is a separate question, of course, but the rule exists. We don't have a similar rule yet about article content but my sense is that the community mostly doesn't want to read it—or, to put it more conservatively, discounts it. This is why we see s…

> I was rather pleased with the originality of this until I remembered pg had come up with "writes and write-nots" in (…)

Is Paul arguing that there will be people who can’t write because of AI? People have been crap at writing before AI, and much of Gen Z (and Alpha) literally don’t know how to write (not just how to write well) at ages where previous generations could.

That’s not his prediction, and not a prediction about technology, as claimed at the top of the post. School teachers could have told him that years ago.

It’s frankly dangerous that so many people lap up Paul’s words, when his world view is so distorted and out of touch with reality and devoid of understanding of regular people. He’s been rich and of high status for too long for his own intellectual good.

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you’re in the wrong place (community, thread, or what have you). Said another way: I couldn’t disagree more.

I'm not trying to be edgy or intentionally controversial or something, it's just life. Most things people have to say are not interesting. Not everything written on HN can be exceptional, because by definition it wouldn't be the exception. Your comment right now, and mine above are not interesting! In another thread there might be one whole comment out of hundreds that retells the experience of a senior engineer work…

> Not everything written on HN can be exceptional, because by definition it wouldn't be the exception.

I’m not arguing every comment on HN is exceptional, but that logic isn’t sound because exceptionalism is relative (as you alluded to).

In other words, it’s congruent that every comment on some website could be exceptional when compared to the internet at large.

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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> comments that don't violate any guidelines, but are flagged to dead. Vouch them and/or email to hn@ycombinator.com and say why you think they deserve to be [undead]. I see that a lot, some have been erroneously caught by the real time AI detect filter (which actually isn't too bad at slicing out the actual AI gen comments) others have gone hard against the zeitgeist. I've had the mods reinstate comments that I've t…

I have vouched a couple (~3-5) benign comments a while back and now I no longer have a vouch button for comments. I don't know if the vouch threshold has increased or if the mods have removed my ability to vouch for other comments entirely. Wondering if it was my good faith attempt to inform a user of their comments being auto-flagged [1] before I had any context that they were supposed to be persona non grata. I can…

Your account is fine - nothing changed. Most probably you're just expecting vouch links where there aren't any. (They only show up on posts that are [dead].)

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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post #487

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have vouched a couple (~3-5) benign comments a while back and now I no longer have a vouch button for comments. I don't know if the vouch threshold has increased or if the mods have removed my ability to vouch for other comments entirely. Wondering if it was my good faith attempt to inform a user of their comments being auto-flagged [1] before I had any context that they were supposed to be persona non grata. I can…

Your account is fine - nothing changed. Most probably you're just expecting vouch links where there aren't any. (They only show up on posts that are [dead].)

thank you so much for the clarification!

Yes, you're correct. The vouch button doesn't appear when viewing the thread context containing the `[dead]` comment. It only appears when clicking the specific comment directly via its permalink (or comment ID). I may have misremembered being able to vouch with the context to the comment being visible.

Thanks as always dang ^_^

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

#490
post #42

We don't allow genai text on HN itself - see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#generated and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079 . How to enforce it is a separate question, of course, but the rule exists. We don't have a similar rule yet about article content but my sense is that the community mostly doesn't want to read it—or, to put it more conservatively, discounts it. This is why we see s…

We should try replacing forum mods with AI just for a while :)

I wish!
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