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Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#481

You need to see a therapist. Your problem is largely on your outlook on where you are in life. This is not meant to be a buck up or shut up comment, it's just that you can't improve your life until you change your outlook on things. You won't be able to move forward on things until you confront your feelings and accept your position to move out of it. To answer your question, yes. My 30's were a mess with a divorce,…

With every passing day, I am becoming more bitter, angry and disillusioned. I don't want to live like this anymore, but I don't know how to even _start_ thinking of ways to get myself out of this hole.

The parent comment about therapy is correct (I regret not getting some myself), but I wanted to address this line directly.

I was stuck being overwhelmed from 2003 to 2019 after the death of a friend, because I had a spiritual awakening but denied it. I tried to satisfy my ego and win the internet lottery and gain external recognition of success which never came. So I lost the better part of 2 decades just going through the motions, utterly exhausted.

I had another spiritual awakening climbing out of burnout and surviving through the pandemic. This time I watched the world wrestle with every existential truth that I had suspected but which had been suppressed by the might of economics steamrolling everyone until that point.

Now I feel that reality is akin to a dream, or at least a Matrix like the movie. There are logical rules we must follow on the micro scale in the day to day where we push atoms around for income. But on the macro scale, it's more like the universe reads our mind and lays a path for us to follow whose main goal is to put us through the wringer for our spiritual growth. That can be as painful or as effortless as we choose. Western culture has no real description for this outside of religion, so all but denies its existence. But it's deeply connected with karma/sin and how we've integrated our shadow self with our outward existence.

Basically the stories I had told myself for most of my life were no longer enough to sustain me. My inner monologue had became toxic like the line above, a false exaltation to cling to when I couldn't face the road ahead of me. Here is an alternative way to write the same sentiment:

I was struggling for a long time but am grateful for the lessons that pain has taught me, even though I can't continue to cling to that pain any longer.

I found that most of the code in my brain had been co-opted by negative self-talk, to the point where it no longer worked and I lost my executive function. It was like I had a stroke and the part of my brain that controlled motivation was no longer there, or worse, actively talked me down from starting any task. I believe now that my subconscious intervened and broke the negative feedback cycle I was trapped in where the harder I tried, the harder I failed.

Once that happened, I finally understood that my mind is not my soul. My physical body and even my thoughts may suffer profoundly (or be elated) in the day to day, but I mostly observe that process playing out now. I don't subscribe to external meaning anymore. I choose what's meaningful. Because meaning isn't objective, it's subjective.

Now I meditate and have faith that I can handle life, even when it doesn't turn out the way that I want. I've found that practicing non-attachment has a funny way of revealing what's really important. Mantras help too, like aligning with heartfelt causes, for example service or being of service to others. Kind of like, strengthening the love inside to give love to others who need it. And allowing myself the same dignity to receive love. My struggles became training, my successes became miracles. And reality seems to be shifting towards this more integrated physical/spiritual whole with divine timing.

Hope something in this helps you on your journey.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#482
I'm so sorry to hear you're feeling this way. I was struggling with suicidal ideation over pandemic, and it was a really scary.

As someone who just came out of depression (brought on by some family deaths, stagnation, and pandemic), my only recommendation is this: Change something. My experience is that stasis is the enemy, rather than any one outcome being the enemy. To be more concrete, I've been told to fear homelessness or debt or solitude, but when I've changed things up without regard for these taboos, it's been surprisingly positive. Some of the happiest and most hopeful (and most physically healthy) times in my life have been while unemployed, while homeless, while living away from my established social safety net or possessionless... and at least for me, the levity and creativity of that mental space has always brought me closer to both strangers and friends (both those with families and those without). In my experience, there's a gravity to doing unexpected things, that causes humans to fall toward you.

I've found the doing an odd thing gives you an immediate something to share, and the curiosity of ppl about the odd things you're doing (and learning about) can help bolster self-esteem. It's a wonderful upward spiral.

I know not everyone is the same. (I am admittedly mostly an extrovert at heart.) But I just wanted to share, just in case. I'm just short of turning 40, and a recent change in cities -- first to visit a friend and stay on their couch, and then to move -- has rejuvenated me.

Also, please don't discount the fact that different cultures are navigating COVID VERY differently. It may be that your local culture is not suiting you. Some people choose to fight the local culture as a means of self-preservation, but if you are troubled enough to be contemplating suicide, then pls seriously consider sampling other cultures. Even if you feel stress about "leaving", pls know that this smaller departure is far better than the larger one that nags you (for both everyone who cares about you now and also those who will eventually care about you) <3

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#483

You need to see a therapist. Your problem is largely on your outlook on where you are in life. This is not meant to be a buck up or shut up comment, it's just that you can't improve your life until you change your outlook on things. You won't be able to move forward on things until you confront your feelings and accept your position to move out of it. To answer your question, yes. My 30's were a mess with a divorce,…

I agree this is an important place to start, but it might not be feasible given the situation they're starting from now.

It might make sense to take "under-" employment with a company that offers good health benefits, which would at least provide income and insurance to buffer the cost of therapy. It might be helpful to think of it as a "launchpad" or "staging" job. It can also be an opportunity to exercise the muscle of befriending new people (coworkers, regular customers).

In the US, Starbucks and Trader Joe's are popular launchpad choices of employer, at least in my metro area. There might be similar ones in your current home country, if it makes more logistical sense to stay local.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#484

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go private if you can afford it. NHS therapy in the U.K. is basically impossible to get for most people, but there are many, many good professional therapists charging £40-£60/hour. Once a week or fortnight, it’s worth it.

Unfortunately I live in Germany now where private therapists are far more expensive than that. More like 100 to 200 an hour. When I eventually return to the UK I won’t bother with the NHS again

As I posted above, German public insurance is required to cover therapy if your GP prescribes it. So you can get private therapy covered if public therapists are too busy to take you.

The process is roughly like this:

* GP prescribes therapy.

* You call seven public therapists who are busy and note their information and when you called. There's a specific form for this.

* You find a private therapist that satisfies certain conditions (e.g. degree granted in Germany) that is a good fit for you, and your public insurance is obligated to pay for your care.

Here's a long guide on it:

https://www.bptk.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/2019-09_bptk_...

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#485
I'm 28. And my life is pretty good. Always has been, for the most part. So take this with a grain of salt.

I would stop making threads like this. You're better off reading books. Some books stay relevant for centuries. Internet comments stay relevant for days. You have no idea who any of these people are, or if their advice is good or bad. I saw a few comments [1] [2] by people who seem to have some sort of self-awareness, but they are in the minority, most people in this thread are as clueless as you.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34053261 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34052827

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#486
Pretty much in the same position. It sucks. I met a few therapists and they flat out turned me away and said I couldn't help me. Took 9 months to find a therapist and I have to say it's been a waste. No real change. No substantive advice that I can tell and no changes really, which is not really the therapists fault it's just the situation which can't really be changed. The notion that I have to just reframe the problems so that I feel better about them is not really a plan of action on how to resolve the issue/depression. The situations still exists, and from what I am reading this is pretty wide spread and only going to get worse in the US with the aging population and economy.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#487
I'm 46, just recently got my self out of homelessness and addiction. Been clean and sober since June.

I've been studying programming/webDev for the past year (since my last release from prison) with the hope of making something of myself other than being a 46 yr old ex heroin addict, ex con, etc. Looks dim for me, oh well.

I'm in a similar situation as you (regarding depression. Esp. concerning certain thoughts of cashing it all in).

I just watched a movie the other night called Stutz, a documentary by Jonah Hill about his therapist. If you can get past the parts about Jonah talking about himself, the Dr has some really excellent gems of wisdom and advice in that film.

Keep your head up bro

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#488

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Citation needed. Sure, I will cite the Wikipedia page on Psychoanalysis, which itself has many citations which you can follow: 1. "Psychoanalysis is a controversial discipline, and its effectiveness as a treatment has been contested" 2. "Linguist Noam Chomsky has criticized psychoanalysis for lacking a scientific basis." 3. "Evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould considered psychoanalysis influenced by pseudoscie…

I have to be honest, none of those are particularly convincing, and spamming a bunch of disconnected quotes from a Wikipedia page isn’t a great argument

> I have to be honest, none of those are particularly convincing, and spamming a bunch of disconnected quotes from a Wikipedia page isn’t a great argument

It was not an argument. It was an answer to the parent poster which requested a citation. Which is why I gave him citations.

And if such a large list of citations from many experts in the fields of psychology, psychiatry, philosophy, history, cognitive science, etc, including many scientists and hell, even (at least) one Nobel prize winner, doesn't convince you... then I'm sorry to tell you this, but I don't think there could be anything that would convince you.

And I'm not sure why you think that you are more qualified than all of them to judge this.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately I live in Germany now where private therapists are far more expensive than that. More like 100 to 200 an hour. When I eventually return to the UK I won’t bother with the NHS again

As I posted above, German public insurance is required to cover therapy if your GP prescribes it. So you can get private therapy covered if public therapists are too busy to take you. The process is roughly like this: * GP prescribes therapy. * You call seven public therapists who are busy and note their information and when you called. There's a specific form for this. * You find a private therapist that satisfies c…

It’s for complicated reasons but I’ve been informed that’s not possible in my situation because I don’t speak German

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#490
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I've been gathering a list of people who turned their life around at 35+, might be an inspiration - https://mrsteinberg.com/creatives-who-made-it-when-they-were...

You could add Charles Bukowski to your list. He started writing full time when he was 49 years old and had his first literary success over 50.

Quit the post office to be a full time writer at 49. Amazing. Added thanks.
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