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Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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> Therapists are overrated, no scientific backing in learning how to deal with high stress situations. Huh. I've had a lot of success with therapy in this regard. Wouldn't recommend something I haven't tried.

I've had a couple bad therapists and a good therapist. The good therapist discouraged me from worrying too much about using a drink at the end of the day as a tool to unwind (I was considering quitting alcohol to try to help my anxiety). Therapy can be great, but it's not a commodity. Success is highly correlated to a strong relationship between patient and therapist, and finding that is very challenging for me and o…

For me alcohol increased my baseline anxiety. When I stopped drinking my anxiety basically went away completely. It was a licensed alcohol and drug therapist that clued me in to that. So the experience of the therapist may matter.

I also started cold exposure and breathing exercises. Now I was skeptical of that stuff for sure at first but I think you can increase your stress tolerance and also train and reconnect your bodies nervous systems. It's a neurobiological thing.

I do the breathing exercises when I get stressed and that takes 5-10mins of effort. After which I've forgotten what I was stressed about. So it breaks the rumination cycle for me.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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> Any tips on cutting out something completely and how to get out of just hating yourself when you fail?

Be careful with cutting alcohol cold-turkey. Beyond a certain point it is very much a physical dependency, and as it affects the full nervous system (it passes through the blood/brain barrier quite easily) cutting it off directly can cause physical withdrawal symptoms starting with shakes and in extreme cases possibly even stroke. This is one of the reasons the rich check themselves into clinics for rehab: having medical staff around to monitor and manage any such reactions makes the process significantly safer.

At times I drank a lot. Vodka most nights, sometimes at least 250ml each night and often litres of the stuff over Fri/Sat/Sun. This was at its worse in the year or so before being diagnosed bipolar (turns out that I was self-medicating, which had worked for a while but hit a spiral that make things much worse). I cut down a fair amount after that, but was still a fairly heavy drinker.

Cut to a decade or so later, there were a number of close calls with regard to health (including a couple of heart issues) amongst friends and family, and with a history of heart issues in both sides of my family tree I decided to do something about my condition (knocking on for 18 stone, and hellish unfit). It helps that my social life had taken a turn for the better around then, and I'd decided this Dave fellow wasn't someone I didn't mind letting rot (my main pension plan to that point was to not live long enough to need a pension, hence my significant “investments” in alcohol).

As I started losing weight I deliberately cut back as alcohol==calories and sometimes it was a choice between drink and chocolate/icecream/ete, and part way through that process I started exercising partly to burn more calories (so I didn't need to cut back on consuming them as much) and partly to get what was left of me into a better shape. I discovered I enjoyed running (I'd have never guessed!) and set myself some goals. This was the point I really cut back as it sometimes became a choice of keeping to those goals or having more to drink. The fact I've reverted to eating and drinking more while recuperating over recent months (long covid, grumble grumble moan moan) might support the suggestion that I reduced those additions in favour of another!

I never cut it out completely, which might not work if what you have is a true addition rather than a dependency, or might if cutting out completely doesn't work for your social circumstances. I just don't drink often, though I can and do occasionally drink a lot in one day/night.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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Alcohol promises a great time. Alcohol delivers a hangover and regrets. I drink alcohol at least 2 or 3 times a week. I can't remember the last time I had a hangover. I just don't drink an excessive amount. Junk food promises a great time. Junk food delivers poor health and regrets. I eat junk food a few times every month. I'm above average on most health metrics. Going to the gym promises hardship and struggle. It d…

Strength is the ability to break a chocolate bar into four pieces with your bare hands and then eat just one of those pieces. – Judith Viorst People are made different. Some are more binge oriented, seems those also feel the most guilt after consumption and then they restrain for a longer time, then they fall worse. I'm like that, when I do something I'm all in, seems like a awesome thing when I'm into good things, b…

To block youtube use open dns. It interrupts the cycle. I had it set for reddit and hacker news, youtube etc.. for a long time.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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I've cut back by switching to non-alcohol beer. I've found that I enjoy the taste of beer, but I don't enjoy how shitty alcohol makes me feel. NA beer tends to solve that for me. Lots of good options coming out. * Just the Hazy by Sam Adams is top tier. * Athletic brewing is solely NA beer - lots of different varieties. * Heineken 0.0 is great * O'Douls amber is surprisingly passable as well I suspect the options wil…

Same for me. I didn't drink loads, but on a Friday if I had a couple of cans I felt like crap on Saturday. Especially if I worked out earlier in the day, I think the body absorbs the alcohol more or slight dehydration made it worse. So I swapped to NA and haven't looked back, just expanded the situations where I'd have NA over a regular beer. Also because you're drinking a beer-like substance, no one thinks you're on a high horse making some anti-alcohol statement (I'm not, I like a beer / wine at times, but don't like the hang-over effect which seems to come on easier and easier the older I get).

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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I turned out to be treating ADHD with alcohol, so when I started prescription medication for ADHD my interest in alcohol plummeted to zero. I was drinking to feel the buzz of reward/accomplishment.

Not sure trading alcohol for amphetamines is the solution for everyone.

My ADHD medication isn’t amphetamines.

ADHD treatment isn’t for everyone.

Untreated ADHD is a little-known root cause for alcohol abuse.

(I am not your doctor, this is not medical advice.)

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The 12-pack-in-a-weekend part makes me think you’ve got a problematic relationship with alcohol. You might start with an examination of why you’d choose to do that on a particular weekend instead of something else. I spent a decade ramping up to about 5 beers a day, and it initially had a lot to do with anxiety and feeling trapped in a life that wasn’t fulfilling to me. Even after I addressed those things aggressivel…

I beg to disagree. Self-hatred is always negative and certainly does not correlate with any particular behavior. Does being hooked on doughnuts and ice-cream go hand-in-hand with self-hatred? What is so special about alcohol versus porn or sugar or Pokemon or Amazon Prime or Netflix?

I applaud your self-awareness and realization that you personally cannot drink moderately but must reject the assertion that there are such things as "regular life" and "alcoholism". Define these states of being...

... except you can't.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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>get out of just hating yourself when you fail

This part is a choice. Choose to stop beating yourself up over it. You’re not perfect and neither is anyone else.

Ultimately quitting is a continuous series of small decisions. You can make a decision at this instant, but you don’t control your future self, and you need to be ok with that. Come to the table with the understanding of the long term goal. If you slip up, the most important thing is to get back on track, which means letting go of transient mistakes and focusing on the long term path you’re on.

A corollary to the above, if and when you slip up and buy a 12 pack, don’t keep it around, throw whatever you have leftover away.

“But that’s such a waste!”

Buying it in the first place was a waste. once your craving is satisfied, how does drinking a bunch of extra beer you don’t even want productive?

If that means you’ve bought 12 beers and drank one, and you’ve searched the itch: throw 11 away, far away from you. The prime directive is to reset yourself back on the path as soon as possible.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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I listened to Annie Graces This Naked Mind and it helped me make a rational argument for why I shouldnt drink. I wanted to stop when I started the book mostly because hangovers started getting bad and I was spending too much on booze.

I told myself I was going to quit for 90 days. That turned into 6 months. Which turned into about 2 years now. At this point I dont get urges anymore. The first 90 days were the worst. The following 6 months were kinda bad. After a year it got a lot easier.

A HUGE help is having supportive people in your life. My wife still drinks but she was never a big drinker. My friends still drink but they are also really into doing things that drinking doesnt help, like sports where drinking doesnt really fly, or outdoor activities where drinking doesnt need to be involved.

I was pretty much drinking every night when I quit and it was my main social outing. The hardest part was retraining my brain to do things I liked without drinking. A big one for me was drinking while watching movies or tv. I could get drunk and watch shitty lifetime movies because when youre hammered enough those shits are fun. But without booze even great movies were boring for a while. It just takes time. It does get easier.

Check that book out. It helped a lot with building up enough arguments that I couldnt easily break them down when I wanted a drink.

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