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Ask HN: I bought Voltaren at the chemist, now Google shows me ads for it. Why?

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Re: Ask HN: I bought Voltaren at the chemist, now Google shows me ads for it. Why?

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I think it's the last option. His phone probably heard him ordering Voltaren. It's also the simplest possibility (Ockham's razor). I know because after discussing extremely rare chemicals at an officemate's desk, he began seeing ads for them. Neither of us had ever Googled or emailed anything related. It was a brand new idea for a brand new project which we had started working on that morning.

This is not the simplest possibility. Based on how often Google Home misunderstands the simplest queries, the tech is nowhere close to getting purchase intents out of random conversations. Besides that - do folks on hn really believe the „our phones are listening 24/7“ conspiracy theories?

I believe it is very possible.

My android phone often asks how did I like this or that shop. Sometimes I was just passing by those shops but on average the phone is quite correct which shops I have visited.

Google knows when you are in the pharmacy and might use a different routine interpreting ambient sounds when you are there. Voltarol (ibuprofen gel) is a distinct sound that even very lossy algorithm with low level of processing power can distinguish with a sufficient level of accuracy.

Re: Ask HN: I bought Voltaren at the chemist, now Google shows me ads for it. Why?

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I don’t think Google linked the account directly to the purchase. My guess would be that Google linked the account to the medication based on patterns from one of its many ways it gathers data. * visits to websites about that medication * visits to websites talking about symptoms for which the medication helps * searches for the above * I would not be surprised if Google picks up interests from other accounts using t…

I do most searches in an incognito window so it can't be browser history. In some cases, it's even something like my wife joking about selling the car to a friend on WhatsApp, and suddenly Facebook show ads where you can sell the car. One time I told my wife to buy something at the grocery store (verbally, no text) and FB shows me the ad for that exact item.

Anecdotes like this are plausibly explained as https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion

Re: Ask HN: I bought Voltaren at the chemist, now Google shows me ads for it. Why?

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Opt out of VISA marketing https://marketingreportoptout.visa.com/OPTOUT/request.do Second, disable GPS, and cellphone tower ID reporting (root needed.) So Google can't correlate you with sales records. At the moment, there is no way to disable Google AGPS spying on the stock Android. Third, block Google apps from reading your IMEI/IMSI/serial number, so they can't get AGPS data from your cellphone provider if it sell…

This is the dumbest ad strategy ever. Why on earth would ads about a product you just bought be effective marketing material. This is like how you get a million ads about dishwashers the day after you Google around and buy one. At least wait for a short duration of time to let the target run out of medicine before adversiting new stuff.

From a boarder perspective, maybe the data is about knowing when someone else will buy a dishwasher. If people make similar journeys.

Also, this person is now in a certain class of shopper (I think some this may be Experian Mosaic classes), so the advertiser knows what quality level of dishwasher this person is buying. The cheapest kitchen applicances, or premium kitchen applicances? Premium kitchen applicances on credit or premium kitchen applicances full price?

This will have a massive effect of choice of other items to advertize, the difference between ads for loans (credit purcahse) or ads for international holidays (full price purchase).

Re: Ask HN: I bought Voltaren at the chemist, now Google shows me ads for it. Why?

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yep, all the definitions of legitimate equivocate it to legal/lawful. except here, y'all want it to mean not-lawful. I'm legitimately not smart enough to continue this conversation.

That's just not true. Please don't make things up. Here are two (abridged) definitions from the Oxford dictionary: 1. conforming to the law or to rules 2. make legitimate; justify or make lawful. You're choosing to ignore the verb make in the second definition, describing the act of conferring legitimacy on something, which necessarily implies that it was previously lacking.

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Re: Ask HN: I bought Voltaren at the chemist, now Google shows me ads for it. Why?

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That is correct.

Citation needed. I use credit cards exclusively so I cannot say for sure, but I am extremely skeptical that banks don’t offer any fraud protection on debit cards in the US. AFAIK the main reason people prefer CC’s over debit cards for fraud prevention is simply that with a debit card your money comes out immediately if it is used by someone else, whereas with a CC there is a 30-day buffer.

Literally the first links when I search for ‘fraud protection credit card debit card” are below.

The TL;DR is:

- you have a short window to report DC fraud before you bear the full risk; CC risk is capped

- dispute a CC charge: you don’t owe anything / accrue interest until resolved; DC case you don’t get any money back until bank decides it’s not your fault. Tough luck if you needed that money to pay your rent.

https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0213-lost-or-stolen-cr...

https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/are-credit-cards...

https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/credit-cards/credit-card-...

https://creditcards.usnews.com/articles/why-credit-cards-are...

https://komonews.com/sponsored/wafd/financial-focus-tips/cre...

Re: Ask HN: I bought Voltaren at the chemist, now Google shows me ads for it. Why?

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I have on multiple occasions tested talking to the google home without triggering it to see if it's listening.

"I wonder if I should buy X" but I dont actually want X and never search for it. That alone makes google ads start showing me ads about X.

Re: Ask HN: I bought Voltaren at the chemist, now Google shows me ads for it. Why?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think Google linked the account directly to the purchase. My guess would be that Google linked the account to the medication based on patterns from one of its many ways it gathers data. * visits to websites about that medication * visits to websites talking about symptoms for which the medication helps * searches for the above * I would not be surprised if Google picks up interests from other accounts using t…

I do most searches in an incognito window so it can't be browser history. In some cases, it's even something like my wife joking about selling the car to a friend on WhatsApp, and suddenly Facebook show ads where you can sell the car. One time I told my wife to buy something at the grocery store (verbally, no text) and FB shows me the ad for that exact item.

We had a similar thing happening to us: Wife and I have no kids and have no plans to have them. Kid related stuff is just not part of our everyday interactions. One day we visit some friend who are a couple with kids and in that visit we TALK about babies and rising kids and whatnot. Next day my wife (who has the FB app Installed), starts getting kid's diapers ads. I dont have FB app and I dont get those ads.

She uninstalled the app after that.

Re: Ask HN: I bought Voltaren at the chemist, now Google shows me ads for it. Why?

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March 2020, heydays of coronavirus paranoia. I came back home from somewhere, put my keys onto the dining table and went to the bathroom to clean up. My girlfriend, upon seeing the key-chain on the table started reproaching me for being careless about hygiene. When I returned from the bathroom I saw her washing the key-chain in the kitchen sink. This time I got angry and asked how come she hadn't thought that the usb…

I wrote it elsewhere in this thread, but something similar happened to my wife an I about "babies" . The interesting thing was that she (whose phone had the FB app installed) got the ads while I (who have never used FB apps) did not get the tailored ads. And we both live in the same place and share the same internet

Re: Ask HN: I bought Voltaren at the chemist, now Google shows me ads for it. Why?

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March 2020, heydays of coronavirus paranoia. I came back home from somewhere, put my keys onto the dining table and went to the bathroom to clean up. My girlfriend, upon seeing the key-chain on the table started reproaching me for being careless about hygiene. When I returned from the bathroom I saw her washing the key-chain in the kitchen sink. This time I got angry and asked how come she hadn't thought that the usb…

We've (my wife and I) had a few odd ones like this too. That being said, no-one has substantiated this - which, to me, doesn't mean as much as people thinks it does. Suppose you were building this capability. Would you necessarily leave it on 100% of the time, and if someone started acting 'weird' around their phone ("hey, I'm sitting in a lab, and someone is just talking to me a lot") it might be a good time to turn…

Reminds me of Volkswagen cheating function: if it detected the car was on the lab, it changed its behaviour to pollute less. So... it's very feasible for any other company to do a similar thing.

Now otoh as far as I know, microphone usage is not cheap on mobile devices. So either these apps are doing sporadic on/off recording or we would see a strong impact on the phone charge life.

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