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Re: Ask HN: Do you still use search engines?

#451
My searches have become site specific.

- What other people think of product XYZ: reddit - Subject specific/Historical: Wikipedia - News specific: My favored news sources - Coding related: I start with ChatGPT. To validate those answers I use Google

Re: Ask HN: Do you still use search engines?

#452
I never use ChatGPT for anything. I don't trust it for anything (nor should anybody), don't support the company that made it (unethically and on false pretenses as a nonprofit), and have absolutely no desire to contribute to its development.

When I need to search, I use a search engine and try to find a trustworthy source, assuming one is available.

Re: Ask HN: Do you still use search engines?

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post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's time to bind "Please be concise in your answer and only mention important details. Use a single paragraph and avoid lists. Keep me in the discussion, I'll ask for details later." to F1.

Yeah but it kind of kneecaps the model. They need tokens to "think". It's better to have them create a long response then distill it down later.

Is there a well-known benchmark for this? I don't feel that short vs long answers make any difference, but ofc feelings aren't what we can measure.

Also, if that works, why doesn't copilot/cursor write lots of excessive code mixed with lots of prose only to distill it later?

Re: Ask HN: Do you still use search engines?

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post #59

Yes, I'm still using Google as I haven't found LLMs useful as a search engine replacement.

but the AI responses from google that dominate the screen real estate are terrible. When you repeat the exact same query and get changing (but all wrong) answers, something is broken. I've resorted to including profanity in all my searches to prevent the AI responses, which is suboptimal at work...

Then I guess it's good to live in a country where no AI products from western companies are available for some reason. As in, if I would really need to use ChatGPT, I'd have to do that through a VPN. Everyone talks about Google's AI as if it's taken over everything but I have literally never seen any. And I use Google products a lot.

Re: Ask HN: Do you still use search engines?

#455
I use search exclusively. I've tried ChatGPT for a number of tasks on various subjects and found it's responses to be shallow to the point of uselessness and frequently riddled with errors. It's fun to get it to do dumb shit like rewrite my resume in the style of Warhammer 40k, but for anything serious it's proven to be largely useless.

Re: Ask HN: Do you still use search engines?

#456
It's become kind of tempting to use chatgpt for that because you don't have to search yourself for that one post somewhere that describes what you're looking for. But I found little use for anything critical because it's just wrong way too often. Recently it gave me the info on how to use an API which turned out to be deprecated since two years. But for setting up my parents iPad where I was looking for a setting I couldn't find, it's fine.

Re: Ask HN: Do you still use search engines?

#458

I'm the inverse, I still 90% of the time use search engines, mostly Google. LLM-s can't help me with researching Hungarian companies offering screws, furniture, TV-s etc I need for my home renovation. It can't find me the best route to go to a cafe, lookup users, find information on famous people. Google is also faster than me typing a good prompt. I use LLM-s for what they are good at, generative stuff. I know some…

My take is close to yours...

LLM's are great when you want AN answer, and not get side tracked.

Search is great when you want to know what answers are out there. The best example is Recipes... From what spices go into chai to the spice mix in any given version of chili (let's not start on beans).

The former is filling in missing knowledge the latter is learning.

Re: Ask HN: Do you still use search engines?

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Search is primarily a portal - you know a particular resource exists, you just don't know its exact URL. You hear about this new programming language called "Frob", and you assume it must have a website. So you google "Frob language". You hear that there was a plane crash in DC, and assume (CNN/AP/your_favorite_news_site) has almost certainly written an article about it. You google "DC plane crash." LLMs aren't ever…

Agreed. I think of these as two different types of searches - “page searches” where you know a page exists and want to get to it, and “content searches” where you have a more open-ended question. Really, for many “page searches”, a good search engine should just be able to take you immediately to the page. When I search “Tom Hanks IMDB”, there’s no need to see a list of links - there’s obviously one specific page I w…

This is one of my favorite duckduckgo features - adding a single exclamation point after a search (“Tom Hanks IMDB !”) does exactly this

Re: Ask HN: Do you still use search engines?

#460

Search is primarily a portal - you know a particular resource exists, you just don't know its exact URL. You hear about this new programming language called "Frob", and you assume it must have a website. So you google "Frob language". You hear that there was a plane crash in DC, and assume (CNN/AP/your_favorite_news_site) has almost certainly written an article about it. You google "DC plane crash." LLMs aren't ever…

IMO an example of a good use case for an LLM, which would be otherwise very hard to search for, is clarifying vague technical concepts. Just yesterday I was trying to remember the name of a vague concept I’d forgotten, with my overall question being: “Is there a technical term in biology for the equilibrium that occurs between plant species producing defensive toxins, and toxin resistance in the insect species that f…

Present day...

Google 55% as GPT is not a local search engine

GPT 45% but use it for more intelligent learning/conversations/knowledgebase.

If I had a GPT phone ... sorta like H.E.R. the movie I would rarely leave my phone's lockscreen. My AI device / super AI human friend would do everything for me including get me to the best lighting to take the best selfies...

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