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Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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Post by spacemadness »

sensanaty wrote: post #138

Definitely. The tech is impressive but anyone I've spoken to thinks of it as Cleverbot 2.0, and among the more technically minded I've found that people mostly are indifferent. Hell, IRL most people I know don't think much of it, though on HN and elsewhere online I see a lot of people praising it as the next coming of Christ (this thread included) which puts it in a similar tier as crypto and other Web3 hypetrains as…

I also don’t get what’s so great about putting another layer on top of ChatGPT and calling it a business plan. It seems like the lowest effort possible and you’ve done next to nothing interesting technically. Some of these projects don’t even seem to do what they say they’ll do well, and that’s probably because they really have no control over the data provider. Maybe this is my Dropbox HN moment, but it just seems lame.

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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Post by Roark66 »

scarface_74 wrote: post #392
codegeek wrote: post #362

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My worry with AI is that even though it is very impressive and useful in many ways for real world applications, the Hype may end up making it another crypto. Crypto was a great promise when it was invented and one can make the argument that it could have so many real world uses but it failed to live upto that expectation and one of the reasons is that it was over hyped way too quickly and ultimately became a tool for…

I use ChatGPT to help me quickly write simple AWS SDK based helper scripts. I’ve also recently been involved in designing a DevOps /Docker deployment pipeline for a customer. They use Java and I haven’t used Java in decades. Before I would have just done my POC using a Python or Node container and rely on the fact that they knew Java well enough to get the concepts. But I used Java and started the chain of questions…

Watch out, I'm doing devops too and I've caught chatgpt on such obviously stupid behaviors it hurts to even think about it. It's not just hallucinations problem (edge cases or doing unusual stuff).

It seems to give answers that are 100% incorrect and when told so says "of course you're right, here is the right answer". The only stuff I'd use it for is if I already know exactly how to write the script and I'm just using it to type it for me quickly because I don't remember if aws_instance is the correct spelling or aws-instance in terraform...

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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Post by throwaway202351 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #242
mensetmanusman wrote: post #210

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There are ways to get way faster at completing tasks without increasing the expectations with no change in pay.

Right, but none of those are likely to get you said five weeks off, unless you're planning on pretending to be remote working while actually on vacation. Which is... risky.

Sounds like something out of "The Four Hour Workweek"

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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Post by not_alexb »

jjgreen wrote: post #382
hinkley wrote: post #360

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So you aren’t infuriated by automated phone systems? Because let me tell you, the number of companies whose reputation has survived me having to deal with their fucking phone robot can be counted on my middle finger.

... can be counted on my middle finger Fabulous, I'll be stealing that ...

Probably an extremely large number of companies can be counted on something as ginormous as the average human middle finger; I could probably fit 20 if I write really tiny and could fit a lot more with access to other devices.

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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Post by JohnFen »

andsoitis wrote: post #291
blitz_skull wrote: post #217

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This—100%. The AI revolution with LLMs is creating a new type of interface with computers—the AI interface. Will it kill us all? Eh, probably not. Will it completely change human civilization forever? Eh... maybe not? (But also maybe). But what it already has begun to do, and will continue to do is change the way we interact with computers. The era of having a personal voice assistant that is capable, adaptable, and…

> The era of having a personal voice assistant that is capable, adaptable, and intuitive is VERY close and that is something that's exciting. Intuitive to use? Or has intuition?

> Intuitive to use? Or has intuition?

I don't really see either of those things as a real possibility. Within my lifetime, anyway.

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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Post by andsoitis »

chrischattin wrote: post #429
andsoitis wrote: post #356

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> I bought a car with Bitcoin while the banks were closed on the weekend. > There are tons of legitimate use cases. However, most of them aren’t immediately apparent to affluent people in the United States as it solves problems most of them don’t have. Are you implying that you cannot buy a car on a weekend in the US? If you Google, you’ll see that not only can you buy a car on the weekend, but there are articles fro…

Good luck effecting a wire transfer outside of banking hours.

> Good luck effecting a wire transfer outside of banking hours.

the beautiful thing about accounting and trade is that cash flow doesn't have to coincide with the transaction.

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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Post by retendo »

healthyusa wrote: post #385
MatthiasPortzel wrote: post #308

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This is a perfect example of an AI-hype comment. You’re treating it as a fact that LLM are going to replace existing products, at some unknown future date. “In 5 years, all code will be written by AI” “In 5 years, LLM will replace Siri and Alexa” “In 5 years, AI will replace [sector of jobs]” The thing that frustrates me about these statements is that you don’t know what AI technology is going to look like in 5 years…

GPT-4 writes 100% of my code now. Staring at a monitor, hunched over, tapping on a keyboard? Stone ages. That’s not 5 years from now. That’s today.

Can you elaborate what your process is? Some context would be nice as well. Like, what kind of language, what kind of project? I'm genuinely interested.

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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Post by zulban »

From Pew Research: A majority of Americans have heard of ChatGPT, but few have tried it themselves

So yes, your friend is unusual, especially as a millienial where even more have heard of it and used it. When you're asking a statistics question, make sure you cite statistics instead of asking people to write comments from their toilet.

Also: "Just 14% of U.S. adults have tried ChatGPT". I think we need to take a step back and consider how much the bar has been raised. "Just" 14% of Americans? This is an incredibly high number.

[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/05/24/a-majorit...

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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Post by wefarrell »

tester457 wrote: post #411
bigger_inside wrote: post #300

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I teach college, and in the beginning days, everyone was screaming about "the students will have chatGPT write papers now". Well, apart from the fact that chatGPT is really incapable of developing a thought, and also apart from the fact that half will fail to delete sentences like "I'm a language model, so I can't..." (insert gist of question here), it's painfully obvious if something is LLM generated. The moment a s…

> "it's crucial to remember" > "I'm a language model, so I can't..." You won't catch the clever students who programmically remove these (e.g. using Langchain).

It's not even that complicated, you just need to prompt it properly and it won't respond with those disclaimers.

Re: Ask HN: Are people in tech inside an AI echo chamber?

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Post by [deleted] »

aenis wrote: post #398
rvz wrote: post #361

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Exactly. The AI bros here are doing the same thing as the crypto bros and almost all of them don't even know it. Pontificating their nonsense around the hype about LLMs to the point where they don't even trust it. The same thing they did with ConvNets and they still don't trust that either since they both hallucinate, frequently. I can guarantee you that people will not trust an AI to fly a plane without any human pi…

I'd like to point out that humans, too, are not trustworthy in high risk situations. For this we have procedures, deterministic automation and so on. I like to think of capable LLMs as pf gifted interns. I can expect decent results if I explain well enough, but I need processes around them to make sure they are doing what they are told. In my industry thats enough to produce a noticeable productivity gain, and likely…

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