Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

news.ycombinator.com

451–460 of 600 posts

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#451

I've found it easy to stop a great deal of such behaviors by examining not what they promise to deliver, but what they actually brought. I.e. don't look forward, look backward when making decisions. Alcohol promises a great time. Alcohol delivers a hangover and regrets. Junk food promises a great time. Junk food delivers poor health and regrets. Going to the gym promises hardship and struggle. It delivers health. I'v…

> Alcohol promises a great time. Alcohol delivers a hangover and regrets.

I've always described drinking as “borrowing happiness from tomorrow, sometimes at a high interest rate”.

But like any debt that might actually feel like a good deal at the time, and might actually be a good deal sometimes. And even if it isn't a good deal, if you are someone with a dependency or addiction realising this isn't simple (and even if you realise, taking action (or not) based on that realisation is often far from easy).

Regrets in hindsight are not very effective at moderating behaviour once a physical addiction or phycological (including social) dependency has set in.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#452

Guided introspection. Despite not considering myself alcoholic, my wife nagged me into going to local Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) meetings. I came to realise that I had somehow slipped into alcoholism without being the classic street-drunk, shop-doorway kind. I had the mental obsession with alcohol in spades... every day I'd count the hours until, after work, I could start drinking. Once I'd accepted I was alcoholic it…

https://www.orange-papers.info/

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's both and, instead either or. We don't all want to reduce stressors, but find ways to deal with it better. Sometimes you push hard, and a good glass wine is exactly what you need. Sometimes you push hard, and you had enough wine the week before. Therapists are overrated, no scientific backing in learning how to deal with high stress situations. I recommend everyone working out, but when you had a stressful day or…

> Therapists are overrated, no scientific backing in learning how to deal with high stress situations. Huh. I've had a lot of success with therapy in this regard. Wouldn't recommend something I haven't tried.

I've had a couple bad therapists and a good therapist.

The good therapist discouraged me from worrying too much about using a drink at the end of the day as a tool to unwind (I was considering quitting alcohol to try to help my anxiety).

Therapy can be great, but it's not a commodity. Success is highly correlated to a strong relationship between patient and therapist, and finding that is very challenging for me and others I've discussed that with.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#454

I've found it easy to stop a great deal of such behaviors by examining not what they promise to deliver, but what they actually brought. I.e. don't look forward, look backward when making decisions. Alcohol promises a great time. Alcohol delivers a hangover and regrets. Junk food promises a great time. Junk food delivers poor health and regrets. Going to the gym promises hardship and struggle. It delivers health. I'v…

> Alcohol promises a great time. Alcohol delivers a hangover and regrets. I've always described drinking as “borrowing happiness from tomorrow, sometimes at a high interest rate”. But like any debt that might actually feel like a good deal at the time, and might actually be a good deal sometimes. And even if it isn't a good deal, if you are someone with a dependency or addiction realising this isn't simple (and even…

Even if it isn't in every case sufficient, it is in most cases greatly beneficial to understand what is good for you in order to lead the best life. Sure, you can sometimes hit the mark by dumb accident, but it's a lot easier if you know what you are aiming for than if you are shooting blind, as it were.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#455
Over the years I've found I'm an emotional drinker. If I'm tired or having a bad day getting drunk will make my forget about it. If I've had a wonderful day getting drunk will carry that enthusiasm into the night. I haven't permanently quit but told myself I'd take a year off to see if I could do it, I liked this approach because thinking about _never_ drinking again seemed unachievable. 3 weeks left and no desire to start drinking again.

Something that I found really effective was quitting caffeine the same day I stopped drinking. I went from drinking 6+ drinks most nights and 6-7 cups of coffee a day to nothing. First three weeks were terrible, drank 6-8 cups of strong chamomile tea throughout the day to help curb anxiety, kept candy around to deal with the sugar cravings. Throughout the year when I would get a craving to drink I'd have a coffee or energy drink and that usually altered my mood enough to satisfy the craving for a drink. Hard part there is not to allow caffeine to become a daily habit and keep it as a break glass. Around 5-6 months I found there was a big jump in mental clarity, after 10 months I hardly think about drinking.

Around the same time I quit I started getting up at 5am instead of 9am, I'm not very productive in the morning, some days I get some exercise or chores in but most days I just sit around on my phone until I start working around 8 or 9(phone addiction is my next vice to work on). This allows me to fall asleep by 10 and prevent the late night boredom which often lead to drinking. Having a fitness goal will help and you'll see how much easier it is to achieve without being hungover most of the week.

For social events I show up an hour or two late. By this point people have a few drinks in them and there's less pressure to drink to get conversation going since the work is done for you. Not perfect but it helps.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#456
post #160
post #26

I haven't had a drink in 27 days, which is the longest I've gone in a while. Left to my own devices, I tend to settle into a pattern of 2-4 drinks per night, 5-6 nights a week (I actually tracked this for a while with a spreadsheet). It's not like, ruin my life, wake up in a gutter type situation, but it leads to just feeling somewhat crappy all the time, and I didn't like it, so I wanted to stop. Some things that he…

>Left to my own devices, I tend to settle into a pattern of 2-4 drinks per night, 5-6 nights a week (I actually tracked this for a while with a spreadsheet). This is where I would settle as well, except some Saturdays when I'd have a bloody mary in the morning then just nurse gin and sodas from noon until 2am Sunday. Just enough to keep a little happy buzz going, I really don't like getting drunk at all. My daughter…

I feel called out right down to the gin and sodas from noon until 2am and burning down a handle of rye.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#457
If you need help for drug addiction please consider visiting:

Alcoholics Anonymous, https://aa.org/

Alcohol Detox Resource, https://addictionrehabtreatment.com/alcohol/alcohol-detox/

American Addiction Centers, https://americanaddictioncenters.org/

Hazelden Betty Ford Foundation, https://www.hazeldenbettyford.org/

Lily’s Place, https://www.lilysplace.org/

Self-Management And Recovery Training, https://www.smartrecovery.org/

or call the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration helpline:https://www.samhsa.gov/find-help/

1-800-662-HELP (4357).

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#458

Alcohol is a slow killer. Physical addiction takes about 10 years to form. First, it's barely noticeable. People think it's age, and "after 30 hangover lasts for 2 days". But that is not actually being hang over. It is the symptom of alcohol withdrawal. Mild one at first, but more severe as physical addiction settles in. Drinking 3-4 days a week seems like "okay". However, it basically means drinking whenever withdra…

This rings true to my experience. I found recently that I was having really bad 2 day "hangovers": I was fine in the morning, but weird stomach ache in the afternoon and feeling like complete shit from there into the evening.

I thought it was just "I'm getting old and drinking a lot, this is normal", but it sounds like withdrawal symptoms are more accurate.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#459
Dude, first of all congratulate yourself for making the choice to pick the better version of yourself. Your choices are between what feels good right now and what is most important. This is a journey and you must allow yourself the time to transition to the better self. Stop beating up yourself you can do and realize that this is a new set of skills you much acquire, that you are going to learn a brand new behavior and transform to this new state. I share what worked for me.

1. Do not drink alone. Just make this rule. No sitting at home and putting away a 12-pack. You seem to be ok for weeks. So challenge yourself to a 3-week limit, put it on your calendar. Pick a nice, upscale bar, dress up and treat yourself.

2. Start waking up early. For extra credit before sunrise. Get out of bed. Go for a walk in the chill of the morning. Feel that air in your lungs. Just do this.

3. Loose the friends. This is the hard one. They are not your friends. You help them feel secure in their lack of agency over their lives. Just very very slowly start being less available. And here is the opportunity to gauge who is a good friend - "I am making a change, lets meet for a walk/movie/museum instead of the bar". The ones who berate this path, loose them.

4. Of the few people remaining from step #3. Appoint someone as overwatch. There will be a time you will be like "fuck it" and get yourself a bottle of wine, 12-pack or whatever. Call or text this person for overwatch request. Take a video of you pouring the booze down the sink. And send it.

5. Finally, remember what Tony Stark said to Peter Parker -- if you are nothing without the suit, then you shouldn't have it.

Epilogue: Guilt. This is the worst thing. All our learning is based on institutional guilt. Tests. Grades. Evaluations. Re-imagine yourself as in third person. Your body is a resource. And you are equipping it. Guilt is rear view mirror stuff and a poor motivator.

What will happen with you is this. You will fall in love with early mornings. You will have time in the morning to do something you truly endear. You will trust yourself with this block of time and this capacity will overflow into all aspects of your life. And in about 6 months' time, you will dress up, you will go to the nice bar, order that drink and very very likely just walk away from it.

Good luck and godspeed.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

#460
post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My problem is I can drink a bottle of wine and it doesn't really delivery a hangover. I know it's bad for me in the long run but it's hard to resist if it helps me worry less without any negative effects that are immediately noticeable. Working out doesn't really help in the sense that I can go run 10+ Km and feel great but that still doesn't stop the endless ruminations that drive me crazy.

Have you considered seeing a therapist? Rumination is often very treatable.

I am seeing one, he advised me to take more time off work than I'm able to but taking the max I could did help somewhat.

Any tips?

Post reply on HN