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Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by bellowsgulch »

DANmode wrote: post #436
bellowsgulch wrote: post #433

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Most comments aren't interesting.

Then you’re in the wrong place (community, thread, or what have you). Said another way: I couldn’t disagree more.

I'm not trying to be edgy or intentionally controversial or something, it's just life. Most things people have to say are not interesting. Not everything written on HN can be exceptional, because by definition it wouldn't be the exception.

Your comment right now, and mine above are not interesting!

In another thread there might be one whole comment out of hundreds that retells the experience of a senior engineer working on an uncommon problem, sharing specifics about a particular industry, piece of intellectual property, or another individual.

The rest will not be interesting. That's normal! That's OK! But most are not.

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

mh- wrote: post #269
defrost wrote: post #262

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> I figure the mods are seeing the same HN I am. It's a rare individual that reads all the comments .. my impression is they appreciate on point heads up emails about accidentally auto-binned comments and are happy to reverse flagging on good comments, even those that try and make the dark side of a case. Probably best not to try and flood the zone with anti/pro pet subject matter karen emails though. FWiW I semi fre…

I agree with that, the ones I see flagged are frequently espousing viewpoints I disagree with. But they should be debated then, and flagging them denies everyone that opportunity.

I try to flag only bad-faith arguing. I need to get more disciplined about flagging bad-faith arguing for stances I agree with: I don't flag those comments nearly as much, perhaps because I simply don't perceive them as bad-faith if I agree with them.

Then again, I'm perfectly capable of perceiving bad-faith comments opposing generative AI. I had dismissed the possibility out of hand, so it's possible that the reason I don't see many bad-faith agrees-with-me comments, AI-bashing aside, is because there aren't many: maybe people who agree with me tend to act in good faith.

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by tomhow »

rsoto2 wrote: post #438
dang wrote: post #271

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> HN also hosted a likely war criminal to talk about his experiencing killing children in gaza. WTF? What do you mean by "hosted"? I know it's the internet's happy place to blithely accuse others of monstrosity and then derive from that how nobody other then themselves has any "morals or ideals", but this one sticks in my craw.

There was a prominent AMA for an israeli soldier while stationed in Gaza oppressing brown minorities and blowing up their children. The world sees what Israel has done it's not an "online" thing there are real humanitarian orgs and the UN accusing Israel of genocide.

Can you share a link or any identifying words that would enable us to know exactly what you're referring to? Dang and I monitor this site throughout the day, every day, and we have no idea what you mean. If it was a "prominent AMA" that we "hosted", we would remember.

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by [deleted] »

dang wrote: post #248
slg wrote: post #188

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>This is why we see so many "just show me the prompt" responses, along with others like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/genai-pushback . This is totally tangential to your point, but what is that page? It's not your usual link to an algolia search. Is this already part of some sort of manual tagging system? Clicking on the first one, these comments don't seem to be moderated. Are you using these complaints to help…

It's just a list of posts that we tagged manually and then defined a URL endpoint for. We do that sometimes, but rarely enough that I can understand the confusion. Keep in mind that we have a REPL over here and can make any link do anything!

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Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by slg »

dang wrote: post #248
slg wrote: post #188

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>This is why we see so many "just show me the prompt" responses, along with others like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/genai-pushback . This is totally tangential to your point, but what is that page? It's not your usual link to an algolia search. Is this already part of some sort of manual tagging system? Clicking on the first one, these comments don't seem to be moderated. Are you using these complaints to help…

It's just a list of posts that we tagged manually and then defined a URL endpoint for. We do that sometimes, but rarely enough that I can understand the confusion. Keep in mind that we have a REPL over here and can make any link do anything!

Thanks for the response, I guess it's rare enough that it was the first time I remember seeing it so it stuck out to me.

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by browski »

rsoto2 wrote: post #440
tancop wrote: post #302

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"intellectual property" never existed. there is only copyright (created to make sure book publishers pay authors), patents (encourage inventors to publish their research instead of keeping it secret) and trademarks (protect buyers and the factorys reputation from counterfeit goods). they are different systems created for completely different reasons. the idea of calling them all "property" came from lobbyists who wan…

It is theft. "intellectual property does not exist" -> goes on to define various legal instruments for protecting intellectual property. "you can't steal something if the original owner has it the whole time" Is this fifth grade? So if I go over to your house and trash it, it doesn't matter the house was under your possession the whole time. No the rebalance is to sue these companies into the dirt.

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Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

archagon wrote: post #267
defrost wrote: post #236

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> comments that don't violate any guidelines, but are flagged to dead. Vouch them and/or email to hn@ycombinator.com and say why you think they deserve to be [undead]. I see that a lot, some have been erroneously caught by the real time AI detect filter (which actually isn't too bad at slicing out the actual AI gen comments) others have gone hard against the zeitgeist. I've had the mods reinstate comments that I've t…

Personally, I've never seen a dead comment come back to life. I'm not sure using the vouch button does anything. (It does for submissions, though.)

My vouch works well, but I barely use it: mostly on select comments of shadowbanned users. My flag, on the other hand, feels like it requires heavy consensus: even when it's successful, the comments I flag tend to get vouched back into existence on a hair-trigger.

Re: Ask HN: Add flag for AI-generated articles

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Post by jorvi »

minimaxir wrote: post #412
jorvi wrote: post #383

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I didn't respond to your argument because I didn't want to escalate, but since you insist on personally attacking me and breaking the HN guidelines far more explicitly than what you're accusing the OP of doing... No LLM has responded like your quote of OP that you assert is LLM generated. Dense verbose writing is not something LLMs do without very specific prompt engineering that no one would do rationally. The trope…

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