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Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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I cannot really accept a MacBook because it's a rental product where Apple has complete control over your machine. Used a Dell XPS for a while, it's a fairly good experience with Linux (Ubuntu and Manjaro), but the build quality is pretty bad. Once it fell backwards from a coffee table and shorted the main board from the hit. I had to resolder a few SMD parts, was not fun. I also hit the corner or the "metal" lid whi…

> I cannot really accept a MacBook because it's a rental product where Apple has complete control over your machine. What are the specific things that you cannot do with your MacBook that are a deal breaker for you? I'm curious because I was previously a "hard-core" i3wm/Ubuntu user, but after switching to Mac/MacOS, the limitations (not running i3wm, pretty much) were not deal breakers for me, especially in light of…

Without going into too much detail, I think my biggest gripes are:

- outdated utilities, like `make` v3, that bite you in the ass every now and then,

- Docker support is bad, it's slow and quirky, and I use it a lot for development,

- hard to trust homebrew's security model,

- necessity to bind a phone number and email, deanonymizing your machine,

- recent security blunders like root login without a password,

- ridiculous amount of telemetry that's hard or impossible to disable.

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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> I cannot really accept a MacBook because it's a rental product where Apple has complete control over your machine. What are the specific things that you cannot do with your MacBook that are a deal breaker for you? I'm curious because I was previously a "hard-core" i3wm/Ubuntu user, but after switching to Mac/MacOS, the limitations (not running i3wm, pretty much) were not deal breakers for me, especially in light of…

Without going into too much detail, I think my biggest gripes are: - outdated utilities, like `make` v3, that bite you in the ass every now and then, - Docker support is bad, it's slow and quirky, and I use it a lot for development, - hard to trust homebrew's security model, - necessity to bind a phone number and email, deanonymizing your machine, - recent security blunders like root login without a password, - ridic…

Thanks for replying!

> Docker support is bad, it's slow and quirky, and I use it a lot for development.

That would probably be a deal breaker for me too if I used it for development.

> hard to trust homebrew's security model

Hmm, how is it different from, say, `apt`'s security model?

> necessity to bind a phone number and email, deanonymizing your machine

I'm not with you on this one. I log into Chrome/my phone anyways.

> recent security blunders like root login without a password

I had no impression that MacOS has root exploits at faster frequency than linux distros. Do you think that's the case?

> ridiculous amount of telemetry that's hard or impossible to disable.

I don't care too much about this one either.

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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Are they made with the same quality of materials as older, more reliable versions? I would guess no. It's also a poor comparison because both are low tech products.

You many be surprised, but ball pens or even pencils are not really low-tech products. Their production needs precision equipment and cutting-edge supply chain. You can´t make a pencil in your basement. side note: "caran d'ache" actually means pencil in Russian which in turn borrowed the name from Turkic, where cara(n) means black and ache is stone. The company is Swiss, but it was set up by a Russian cartoonist that…

Actually, if I may, Caran d'Ache was the "nom de plume" of a French satirist, who died in 1909 (before the russian revolution), but the Swiss company was inspired by his name and his life, as he was one of the first to create what would become (sort of) newspaper comic strips.

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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I'm shocked the LG Gram doesn't get more attention. It's a dream come true laptop for a non-Apple developer. It took me months to actually find it after needing to replace my Vaio, but going 2 years strong with no issues whatsoever. It has it all. Lightweight, great battery life, big screen, full backlit keyboard, numpad, latest processors, USB-C charging and display, the only PC trackpad that beats the Mac. And with…

Seems a bit coincidental and funny that the two comments on this are from "jesuslop" and "sirsinsalot" :)

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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The big difference to me is that Apple only makes business grade laptops while everyone has consumer and business grades. Consumer grades you can't really trust IMO. The business grade DELLs were okay, but doesn't stand out. I did use a Lenovo X240 for years and was very happy with it but I surrendered it when I left that company.

I'm surprised about the Carbon X1 but I've not heard positive things about the newer models so not completely surprised.

These days I'm using gaming-level laptops based on OEM from Clevo and Tongfang and I've been really happy with them. However, I do up-spec my machines.

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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We provide Macbooks for every developers that wants one at our company. For the past 8 years, with NO exeception, every single one of them had to go change something (screen, keyboard, the whole logic board and etc).

For me, without a shadow of doubt, macbooks has been the least reliable peace of technology that I've used for the past years. I can't deny that their support is awesome and they will change anything without questions if you have the money to pay for the repair or you are still under warranty. However, I would really appreciate if I didn't have to use the service.

I haven't used the new M1's, I really hope that they are more reliable.

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without going into too much detail, I think my biggest gripes are: - outdated utilities, like `make` v3, that bite you in the ass every now and then, - Docker support is bad, it's slow and quirky, and I use it a lot for development, - hard to trust homebrew's security model, - necessity to bind a phone number and email, deanonymizing your machine, - recent security blunders like root login without a password, - ridic…

Thanks for replying! > Docker support is bad, it's slow and quirky, and I use it a lot for development. That would probably be a deal breaker for me too if I used it for development. > hard to trust homebrew's security model Hmm, how is it different from, say, `apt`'s security model? > necessity to bind a phone number and email, deanonymizing your machine I'm not with you on this one. I log into Chrome/my phone anywa…

I do care about those things ;)

> Hmm, how is it different from, say, `apt`'s security model?

Core Debian packages are handled by Debian Security Team, Homebrew packages are more like npm, where anyone can upload anything at any time. Also Homebrew's PATH fiddling is very insecure (check https://infotoast.org/site/index.php/2021/05/30/homebrew-is-...). MacPorts come with their own problems. It's just an all-around hacky, insecure software supply chain that is anything but trustworthy.

Re: Ask HN: MacBooks seems to be the only viable option these days

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I'm on my 3rd(!) company supplied macbook in almost 2 years. Macbook Pro, 16'', 32GB. First Macbook: screen broke in the middle. Second Macbook: screen broke and MacOS is complaining that there's something wrong with the SSD. Third macbook I just received and can't tell what will break. But break it will. I only move them around the house, never on the road. When I move them, I place them in a Thule Gauntlet. I reall…

As an equally useless anecdote, I've probably owned ~10 mac laptops in my life and I've never had an issue. I literally have never used a laptop sleeve or anything I just throw it in a bag and go. Literally one of the most indestructible things I've ever owned.

Another anecdote, writing this on a mid 2014 MBP that gets regular use. No issues.
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