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Re: Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters?

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If you do WiFi, do it right. Nobody wants to install a toaster app but many Devs would enjoy a little API for their toasters

I am honestly struggling to find any use case to an iot toaster. Keen to understand what you have in mind.

Smart timer, finish notifications and statistics. Nothing would make my breakfast better, but I surely cannot be the only one who would pay more for a device like that. Maybe I am..

Re: Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters?

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The majority of the US population lives in places where thats not the case.

Right, right. But where you live is a choice.

Not if there are visa requirements, no non remote job opportunities, or you have all your family in the current city you live, and they are potentially ageing, and your kids are in local school, or you dont want to quit current job, or you are so broke you cant get an initial land / dwelling funds in the target location.

Any of those and youve captured most of the working population of the US.

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The low trust part could mostly be a (percieved) race thing. I wont claim to understand human psychology. But I dont think thats enough to explain this. Something relevant, a lot of the houses that were allowed to be built in the 40s would be illegal now. I could probably build a decently sized small house with a garage with a cousin for 20-30k. But it would be illegal to live in. Even in the countryside... and event…

> The low trust part could mostly be a (percieved) race thing. I wont claim to understand human psychology. Racism definitely plays a part in here ("white flight"), but it's by far not the dominant issue. > Something relevant, a lot of the houses that were allowed to be built in the 40s would be illegal now. Indeed, but their designs are illegal nowadays for good reasons, mostly related to fire code or structural int…

You have to make a choice. High homelessness, "communism", or cheap unregulated housing options.

You cant have safety and freedom.

I do think building codes are valid in cities. Outside of cities it should be a free for all, but its not.

However, building codes now are insanely overreaching. I have lived in japan for a few years and found many of the features in buildings here would never be allowed in the US. Minimum stairwell widths, door sizes, building sizes, parking lot requirements, etc. Modern Japanese buildings are probably 100 times safer but would fail american building code.

Point is if the argument is we need regulation for safety it needs to actually be for safety, and minimally.

Re: Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters?

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Ask yourself why you want something that is made in the US. I have long had the same bias, and I am trying to understand it myself. Is it perceived quality of the final object? Do you feel that the environmental impact of shipping is worth overcoming? Do you want to keep money in local communities? Do you just think Americans make things right? What’s your goal here.

Also read about the too numerous to count HW kickstarter projects that 10x their funding goal and then still never deliver.

Also go read everything [Bunnie Huang](https://www.bunniestudios.com/) has written.

Re: Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters?

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Note for other readers: due to old licensing deals for names, the brand sold as Breville in Europe is not the same as the one in US, CA, and AU. The one being talked about here is known as Sage in Europe. And they really are superior-quality devices.

I have trouble understanding your last sentence. Is Breville EU/Sage appliances the high quality one, or is Breville US/AU/CA the high quality one?

Australian company, so non-Europe Breville is the one I know. I don't believe that the European Breville sells over here.

Re: Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters?

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They don't all have nothing that isn't required. My toaster runs Android, has a touch screen, WiFi and an app, and a camera for the AI to identify what you put in it and so you can watch a live stream of your toast or play back recordings from the cloud. It was a pre-order in 2015 that didn't ship for two years. Unfortunately they sold out to Weber a couple of years ago and the product has been discontinued, much to…

I can't say if you are kidding or not. I am a little bit worried, that you aren't.

I was mildly exaggerating for comic effect, but not kidding. I bought it, I set it up, I filmed it. We still use it every day, and I will be sad when it breaks because they are no more. https://youtu.be/JTvJSRPIo90?si=mjCLawXg6Kt-pDDQ&t=585

Re: Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters?

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They don't all have nothing that isn't required. My toaster runs Android, has a touch screen, WiFi and an app, and a camera for the AI to identify what you put in it and so you can watch a live stream of your toast or play back recordings from the cloud. It was a pre-order in 2015 that didn't ship for two years. Unfortunately they sold out to Weber a couple of years ago and the product has been discontinued, much to…

The comment op clearly states "modern cheap toaster". The toaster you describe is not that.

Two out of three ain't bad?

But yeah, you're right, it's really in the "countertop smart oven" category, but I saw a thread about toasters and I wanted to share what to me is kind of a funny example of early 21st century toaster-adjacent tech enthusiasm.

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I love that regulations kill people through both excessive mental distress and false peace of mind. That’s wonderful.

Regulations are anti-competitive as they prevent people from successfully bootstrapping their startups and becoming entrepreneurs. It forces ambitious people without capital to be wage slaves which causes substantial mental distress. False peace of mind harms people because it makes people assume that all products on the shelves are safe by default which isn't always the case and drives harmful behaviors on a massive…

"All right; but apart from the sanitation, education, medicine, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"

Re: Ask HN: Should I try to manufacture toasters?

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I've had a similar idea, except in addition to toasters, it's midsize pickup trucks, washing machines, dryers, dishwashers... What I've found is that regulations make it impossible to sell simple machines, labor costs make it impossible to compete on price, lawyers make it impossible to go to market without being sued, and consumers who say they want reliable, well-made goods will balk and buy cheap stuff en masse wh…

I think this is why entrepreneurship immediately has people thinking of tech startups over anything else, because it's one of the few remaining forms of entrepreneurship in the purest, rawest sense: a single scrappy individual creating outsized value with limited resources. A guy, his laptop, and an internet connection, with almost no red tape in his way.

Regulatory capture & gratuitous litigation has made true entrepreneurship impossible in many domains. It's state-endorsed oligopoly of heirs, heiresses, and corporations.

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