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Ask HN: How do you not take criticism of your work personally?

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Re: Ask HN: How do you not take criticism of your work personally?

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In a lot of interactions, the person giving feedback is just doing their job. I’ve been a team lead and CTO, and when I was presented with some strategy or deliverable, it was my responsibility from that side of the table to speak from experience and point out banana skins and improvements. There is really nothing personal at all in these interactions, it was just trying to deliver a better product as a team. If you…

> banana skins

Thanks for saving your co-workers from a possibly tragic slip and fall.

Re: Ask HN: How do you not take criticism of your work personally?

#432
> But I just hope to learn to stop feeling bad for honest mistakes.

A: By trying to fix them.... this is the way.

It is simple, the difference with people that take feedback personally and the ones that don't, is that the last people are willing to make an attempt to fix the problems the others don't want to be bother.

I always take personal feedback with this mentality "ok fine, lets do it your way", if it works and its either better or equal than my solution then fine good for you, if it isn't then its the awkward/refreshing? moment when you have to tell them they were wrong and you have proof.

Re: Ask HN: How do you not take criticism of your work personally?

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What you have encountered is actually one of the necessary steps to really become "a senior developer". And congratulations, you have already passed the biggest part of that hurdle: becoming aware of the issue. There are things that are fragile, things that break when they encounter a shock. Such as porcelain, when transported. There are things that are non-fragile, things that do not break when they encounter a simi…

No. This is false. Even senior engineers can have this problem. It's not a differentiator for success.

This is counterintuitive but actually there is raw science to back the opposite fact up. I'm not joking.

The more delusional you are as in the less ability you have to take and accept criticism the more likely you are to be successful. There is a positive correlation for this verified by science.

It gels with my anecdotal experience too. At the top end of success those guys are the most delusional and least accepting of criticism, for example Elon musk or Steve jobs, etc. Etc.

But even on the lower end of the spectrum, senior engineers it's there too. For example people who claim they are able to unbiasedly accept criticism are often the people who are worst at it.

The reason for this is not any sort of deliberate emotional reaction or anything like that. But rather because the brain actively deludes you from seeing the complete truth. It pushes people to construct artificial scaffolds of logic to uphold their existing beliefs.

Senior engineers are not immune to it nor are they better. What determines the senior role has a lot of factors and definitely not all the factors are related to the actual formal senior rank. A lot of it is luck, time, politics and other bullshit that gets people that rank.

Everyone builds these ideals about their identity, their rank, and their engineering ability. The reality is that a lot of it is delusional. By deluding yourself it becomes easy to include other people in your delusion as well and that's how a lot of hierarchies work.

Not saying their aren't competent people out there, but don't fall for the false belief that a rank like "senior engineer" conveys a certain level of emotional maturity to accept criticism.

Re: Ask HN: How do you not take criticism of your work personally?

#434
Criticism is the least of your concerns when you live with PTSD :D.

For me work has always been sort of an escape from myself. If I get criticized for the work I do I don't mind too much really because the alternative is the dark place I go to every time I close my eyes.

"So you think there's a problem? Okay maybe there's a problem let's have look at it and reason about it together.

Oh I just suck and my face is stupid and that's why my code sucks? Well I'm really relieved we found the answer to our problem, for a moment there I thought I was the a*hole ;D."

That being the dialogue playing in my head while I haven't said anything to the workmate who simply refuses to listen to reason.

"Okay" I type, and press "Submit Comment"

Re: Ask HN: How do you not take criticism of your work personally?

#435
I can't speak specifically to development/programming, but in a more general technical sense I have noticed that I take pride in my own work and knowledge. When that is criticized, I take it personally regardless of how innocuous the comment might be. Anything negative or critical about it is (to varying degrees) offensive to me. I realize it's stupid and irrational, but it is the gut response I have. My temperance comes from identifying this character flaw within myself.

I think the core problem therein is specifically the word "pride". That is to say, a lack of humility. It is a raising of my own abilities above some set standard. It is to find some "special" value in my own actions and ability. It is a desire to be recognized for my work.

Humility then, is what I need. Humiliation is the means in which I learn humility - to be frustrated and upset with the response from others, but to not respond with those feelings and instead absorb the information as best I can.

To put it clearly: You don't stop being offended by criticism, but learn to process it more productive ways.

You learn to deal with people pointing out your shortcomings by examining the shortcomings that they point out. It then is a matter of realizing that those are shortcomings. After realization, with time, comes acceptance. After acceptance, (hopefully) a motivation to do better. This is a process that in my own experience takes years to accomplish. This isn't to say that, even if you were to do this you would somehow become the most humble person ever, but simply a slightly less prideful one. To work as hard as before, but a slightly softer head.

You will still have many areas you might be extremely touchy about - maybe even retreading old areas you thought you had overcome. (Been there!) I don't think that there is some "magic cure" to this kind of sensation. I simply think that you start to identify the process of dealing with it in a more constructive manner over time. Part of that requires learning more about yourself, and identifying patterns of behavior others bring up.

Arrogance (pride) is an absolutely huge part of my own life. Trying to tame that requires feeling a sense of humiliation on a routine basis. I don't think I'll ever become "numb" to it, but simply be able to process the repercussions more quickly than I had previously.

Re: Ask HN: How do you not take criticism of your work personally?

#436
Most of the points here are about separating your self-worth from your work, and that's certainly good general advice, but it's not the only way to go.

I'll be honest and admit that I connect self-worth with my work, or the sport I'm playing... part of my identity is the desire to do things well.

So yeah criticism hits personally for me. But actually: In a good way. I view every piece of feedback as an opportunity to advance that personal identity.

Usually at work that's desired: The people giving feedback are trying to help. But even that criticism from that stranger on the internet trying to get you down is an opportunity.

It took me a while to get here. I still have half a second of defensive feelings when I receive unexpected feedback. But I've trained myself to quickly let curiosity overpower the defensiveness.

As others have said, your awareness is half the battle. You're on a good path. I hope this alt POV helps!

Re: Ask HN: How do you not take criticism of your work personally?

#437
post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve heard similar statements from other people, and I have a disconnect that prevents me from understanding. Why would someone want to detach their self worth from what they do? If someone ought not feel a negative emotion in response to doing something “bad”, by what logic can they justify feeling something positive in response to doing something “good”? I cannot conceive of a world view that allows one to feel pro…

The pro tip is to attach your self worth not to your skill, but to it's first derivative! That way any criticism that helps you improve your game, no matter how unpleasantly delivered, is a power up. I say it glibly, like it's easy, but it works if one can internalize it.

Hmm, thanks for putting into words something I have been doing unknowingly my entire life.

Re: Ask HN: How do you not take criticism of your work personally?

#438
I got over it when I saw how often criticism was used as either a control mechanism or as a way to distract from the criticizers flaws or mistakes. I’ve found it sadly uncommon that someone comes from a place of earnest desire to offer meaningful feedback that doesn’t come with an agenda. So often criticism is subjectively stylistic rather than substantive, at which point it’s hard to take it as anything less than personal.

Re: Ask HN: How do you not take criticism of your work personally?

#440
post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Respectfully, I don't think this addresses the author's question. They asked for help receiving criticism. Your response is focused on better engineering practices, with the goal of reducing mistakes. I don't think that is what they are asking for

I think you missed my point then. The goal isn't to reduce mistakes, although that is often a secondary benefit. My suggestion was to shift work habits to a form where they have ownership of design rather than ownership of code. Also, a key point was to front-load criticism to early in the development process rather than toward the end.

I don't think your suggestion is a bad one, but I'm not convinced it would have a meaningful impact on one's ability to accept the criticism in the first place. Just because it is occurring at a different phase in the process wouldn't (for me) change my reaction to receiving criticism. But fair point that in your experience this is a useful strategy to make criticism easier to receive.
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