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Ask HN: I bought Voltaren at the chemist, now Google shows me ads for it. Why?

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Re: Ask HN: I bought Voltaren at the chemist, now Google shows me ads for it. Why?

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post #397

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How does Google link the real life person who bought Voltaren at a store to the online account or fingerprint that browses the Internet? Often, through the payment. People use the same payment methods in the same stores over and over. This data is accumulated by the stores, and sold. if you signed up for a "points card" or some other gimmick to get 2¢ off something, the personal information you used when you signed u…

Hmmm.... Use cash!

That doesn't help if you use a loyalty card, which a lot of people do for the promos.

And even if you pay via card/phone ( which is literally multiple times faster and less hassle), the payment processor and card issuer don't know the individual items.

Re: Ask HN: I bought Voltaren at the chemist, now Google shows me ads for it. Why?

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post #387

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Many words have multiple definitions, as you are surely aware. Legitimate is one of them.

yep, all the definitions of legitimate equivocate it to legal/lawful. except here, y'all want it to mean not-lawful. I'm legitimately not smart enough to continue this conversation.

That's just not true. Please don't make things up.

Here are two (abridged) definitions from the Oxford dictionary:

1. conforming to the law or to rules

2. make legitimate; justify or make lawful.

You're choosing to ignore the verb make in the second definition, describing the act of conferring legitimacy on something, which necessarily implies that it was previously lacking.

Re: Ask HN: I bought Voltaren at the chemist, now Google shows me ads for it. Why?

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I would like to contribute an anecdote which turned me from a "google is listening" skeptic to someone who turns their phone off as often as possible, especially during any kind of sensitive conversation. I'm one degree removed from this anecdote, but I have no reason to doubt its truth. A group of friends were on a road trip, driving for several days cross-country. These are university-aged young males, 20-23. None…

>> I would love an explanation more plausible than their phones were listening.

One of the three deviated and searched for nappies online prior to the trip.

Rather than relying on external people to make judgement, you could test the hypothesis yourself: write on paper a phrase. Spend one week without ads and document all ads you see. Spend second week saying word N times per day. Also document all ads you see.

Ask N people to do this and report your findings, then you might provide statistical insight and validate your hypothesis.

Otherwise, who's to say one of those students didn't Google it before the trip?

Does anyone have any ways to improve the design of the above experiment?

Re: Ask HN: I bought Voltaren at the chemist, now Google shows me ads for it. Why?

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In this thread: people who assume ad targeting systems are sophisticated enough to know what you buy at the chemist, while still stupid enough to recommend something you've already bought.

OP probably googled something related before going out to buy the item :)

Re: Ask HN: I bought Voltaren at the chemist, now Google shows me ads for it. Why?

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Do you know companies actually send data to Google (and Facebook) to target ads?

Its common and help companies target clients with ads on the internet in general (YouTube, sites, etc).

It works like that:

- The Chemist wants to sell things online or physically.

- They pay google for ads for their products on sites related to its business lines or keywords about its niche.

Google then show their ads for people in general, people interested on those subjects or to people visiting sites about those subjects.

Interest is determined by search history and navigation (every google ad in a site (chemist or not) help google know you were there).

Then the chemist want to target past customers with more specific ads (like reminding people of items in theirs carts):

- They send google ads information about clients and past physical or online purchases / interactions.

Google then match the user with its own database and connect the sent data with its own data.

- Now the Chemist benefits from the google (because google can find you online)

- Now other google clients benefit from this data (because now your google hidden profile is more accurate about your interests and habits)

- Now Google benefits from that because it can use the purchase data to hone its models about ad-to-spend.

The chemist also want to pay google a fraction of the purchases if the client saw an ad.

- Google uses information sent in realtime by the Chemist and other companies, model this data and determine which people, sites and subjects have a bigger probability to turn an Ad into a sell.

I have myself done that in the past and Facebook was quite accurate at turning ads into course subscriptions.

Re: Ask HN: I bought Voltaren at the chemist, now Google shows me ads for it. Why?

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I would like to contribute an anecdote which turned me from a "google is listening" skeptic to someone who turns their phone off as often as possible, especially during any kind of sensitive conversation. I'm one degree removed from this anecdote, but I have no reason to doubt its truth. A group of friends were on a road trip, driving for several days cross-country. These are university-aged young males, 20-23. None…

Do you ever get irrelevant ads? I certainly do. Multiply that by billions. You're going to find someone getting ads irrelevant to them.

They could also have looked up something relevant to nappies, stayed in a house (and used internet there) where the owners have a baby, etc.

Re: Ask HN: I bought Voltaren at the chemist, now Google shows me ads for it. Why?

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post #368
post #47

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>VISA marketing Why is this even a thing? Maybe I should just go back to buying everything with cash, it's impossible to keep up with all the crap we need to disable or hack around

>Maybe I should just go back to buying everything with cash You should.

Cash registers will just start scanning serial numbers on bills and banks and ATMs will scan them when dispensing.

Better to focus on privacy laws.

Re: Ask HN: I bought Voltaren at the chemist, now Google shows me ads for it. Why?

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I would like to contribute an anecdote which turned me from a "google is listening" skeptic to someone who turns their phone off as often as possible, especially during any kind of sensitive conversation. I'm one degree removed from this anecdote, but I have no reason to doubt its truth. A group of friends were on a road trip, driving for several days cross-country. These are university-aged young males, 20-23. None…

>> I would love an explanation more plausible than their phones were listening. One of the three deviated and searched for nappies online prior to the trip. Rather than relying on external people to make judgement, you could test the hypothesis yourself: write on paper a phrase. Spend one week without ads and document all ads you see. Spend second week saying word N times per day. Also document all ads you see. Ask N…

"One of the three deviated and searched for nappies online prior to the trip."

This is a hypothetical which was deliberately excluded when they decided to run the experiment. These are intelligent young people acting in good faith to test if they're being spied on. Why would they have googled nappies?

I'm sorry but I don't find that explanation convincing at all.

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