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Re: Ask HN: Are you ok?

#431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hate the mild feeling of discomfort I get when I tell most people I'm a software engineer. Most software engineers have a healthy circle of friends and social life. > I hate having eclectic or traditional "nerdy" interests and getting a similar reaction. It's not any different when an electrician, lawyer or a doctor wants to talk shop. Most people you will interact with don't have the same interests as you. > I h…

>>Most software engineers have a healthy circle of friends and social life. Sorry, but I'm going to call [citation needed] on this. It's a rather extraordinary claim, and goes against both popular stereotypes and my personal experience.

This is confirmation bias. I don't think the stereotypes are as generally popular as you claim. My own observational bias is the countless "learn to code", "anyone can code" promotions targeted at youth that make no mention of social limitations.

Depression and anxiety are common in the general population. Social maladaptation is also common, though less so. It is unsurprisingly true that these traits are a bit overrepresented in the tech professions. But tech is not unique in this, the healthcare professions also overrepresent depression, for instance. In either case, it is not even close to a majority.

People that tend to be in these minority groups though by very nature isolate themselves and tend to only see that minority. At worst, online these can lead to some very troublesome echo chambers.

Re: Ask HN: Are you ok?

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As a software developer myself, I always wondered why it is considered a stressful profession. - Most of us aren't going to kill ourselves or others in case we screw up. The stakes may be higher for people working with safety critical systems, but such systems often have multiple safeguards. - Most deadlines and time pressure are completely made up. So what if we don't deliver on time? It is not like the fate of the…

Its stressful for me because I'm running out of youth and I'm never going to find a mate :( The women just aren't attracted to a guy like me, or aren't interested in starting a family so much as poly-amory, drugs, revealing festival costumes, junk media, sex work, alcohol, or anything other than using their youth and looks for hedonism. Edit: Obviously touchy, people actually have thoughts like this, how do we loving…

I seriously can't think of a single woman I've ever met who sounds like that. What situation are you in where that's normal?

Re: Ask HN: Are you ok?

#433

I recently experienced months of sleeping problems. Where I wouldn't sleep for days. Or would sleep a few hours. I would be exhausted and my head would hit the pillow and BAM adrenaline and I can hear my heart pounding and I'm awake. It got so bad I would go into the basement and destroy a wall that I kept repairing. I would cry in frustration. I started to have suicidal thoughts. It was harming my marriage and made…

Taking time for yourself is very important as a parent. Good for you!

Re: Ask HN: Are you ok?

#434
Yes, I am OK. In the micro, immediate term I'm a little burned out: The summer was fantastic, but draining; I have 4 weeks of PTO and I used most of it within a two-month period on 4 different trips with my family. It was tough to make sure I stayed connected enough at work, and in some ways I am still catching up a couple of weeks after returning from the last travel. Speaking of work, I'm thinking of making a MAJOR transition; it is a fantastic opportunity, but I am also concerned about the details (it is an internal move and I like the group I am with quite a bit, so I really want the things and people I'd be leaving behind to be in as good a shape as possible, avoid burning bridges, etc.) There are so many projects at home that I feel like I'll never catch up (e.g. it's the end of the summer and I haven't started building the raised garden beds that we were going to put in last year)--much of that is because other projects with higher priority bump them back in the queue, but it still rankles a bit. And our spending has been outpacing our earnings for long enough that I'm a little worried about our savings.

But longer term, things are fantastic. I've been a software developer/engineer/architect/whatever for about 16 years now, the last 12 with the same (non-FAANG) organization (though I did a similar internal transfer about 7 years ago, which has turned out to be an incredibly positive change of direction for me). I have a high degree of autonomy and several different very interesting projects that I could choose to be working on. (For example, I recently stepped back from a managerial role that has been taking most of my time for the past 3 years or so to focus more on technical work). I'm making in the low six figures, and expect to see my salary continue to increase steadily (though it will be interesting to see how my stepping back to a more technical role will be reflected). The work-life balance and corresponding flexibility that I have here are wonderful (generally 40 hours a week, and if I go over because of travel or deadlines I can usually take a corresponding amount of time off in the next pay period or two, and it only happens once or twice a year). My commute is about 15 minutes. I have a spouse and kids, and that's not without its own stresses but in general things are going well with them. I am on great terms with my parents and siblings, though I don't see them as often as I might like.

Thank you for the opportunity for me to step back and appreciate that for a minute, especially in the face of all this short-term anxiety I'm facing. If you would have told me this when I was back in highschool and the hell that that was, I probably wouldn't have believed you. Heck, if you would have told me this back when I was struggling with VBA 15 years ago in my first job, I might have been pretty skeptical (me, a manager? Pshaw!) But I am so glad that I didn't give up, that I made time to hone my skills, and that I took those uncertain leaps into the opportunities that I found.

Re: Ask HN: Are you ok?

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As a software developer myself, I always wondered why it is considered a stressful profession. - Most of us aren't going to kill ourselves or others in case we screw up. The stakes may be higher for people working with safety critical systems, but such systems often have multiple safeguards. - Most deadlines and time pressure are completely made up. So what if we don't deliver on time? It is not like the fate of the…

This job is stressful because we deal with machines. Humans are also difficult, but I feel we're wired for that kind of difficult. Anything that depends on machine behaviour is somehow uncanny. Even a traffic light causes a little anxiety. Multiply that by the complexity of the machines we deal with and you get it. Not all the work in programming is equally bad, but the hard kind is usually very bad.

Re: Ask HN: Are you ok?

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post #391

As a software developer myself, I always wondered why it is considered a stressful profession. - Most of us aren't going to kill ourselves or others in case we screw up. The stakes may be higher for people working with safety critical systems, but such systems often have multiple safeguards. - Most deadlines and time pressure are completely made up. So what if we don't deliver on time? It is not like the fate of the…

Its stressful for me because I'm running out of youth and I'm never going to find a mate :( The women just aren't attracted to a guy like me, or aren't interested in starting a family so much as poly-amory, drugs, revealing festival costumes, junk media, sex work, alcohol, or anything other than using their youth and looks for hedonism. Edit: Obviously touchy, people actually have thoughts like this, how do we loving…

Counterpoint: evidence of the behaviors you mention is way over-represented on the internet relative to its frequency in real life.

Re: Ask HN: Are you ok?

#437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hate the mild feeling of discomfort I get when I tell most people I'm a software engineer. Most software engineers have a healthy circle of friends and social life. > I hate having eclectic or traditional "nerdy" interests and getting a similar reaction. It's not any different when an electrician, lawyer or a doctor wants to talk shop. Most people you will interact with don't have the same interests as you. > I h…

To add to this comment, if you find you do in fact want to make a change, one way to help accomplish that change is through the Future Authoring Program [1]. It's basically a writing exercise where you write out what your life will be like in a few years if you make all of the changes you are thinking about. Then you write out what your life will be like if you don't make any changes at all. After that you have somet…

Woah. I've been feeling very anxious and stressed out about the present and my future and feeling incredibly aimless. This seems incredibly like what I need (more structure) and a better outline.

Thanks!

Re: Ask HN: Are you ok?

#438

I'm shocked at how many people seem to be doing OK or have minor complaints. For me, I've realized that if I have to do anything for 40+ hours a week on a schedule, after a couple of weeks, I'd prefer being dead. I could be a professional ice cream taste tester or race car driver, and after about 3 weeks of showing up at a fixed time and putting in 8 hours, I'd still be ready to off myself again. When I have week-lon…

I can relate here, not sure if this is a reality for you but one thing that's helped me in this regard is negotiating 25hr/wk arrangements (accepting the pay cut). More flexibility, and if you're willing to burn the midnight oil once in a while you can bump your pay with a second (hopefully temporary!) gig.

How does that work in practice? What do you do? I can do just about any tech job, but every employer I've ever had is only interested in more than full time.

Maybe I've been unintentionally signalling that I'm capable of doing more and that's why I keep finding myself in this situation?

I'd be much happier if I had half the salary and somehow was able to work 2x12hr days instead of 5x8hr days, but I have no idea how to find employers that would agree with that. If you could get two people like me to do 2x12 at increased productivity during work hours with half the cost, you'd be coming out ahead, and you'd have more knowledge on tap in the organization.

Re: Ask HN: Are you ok?

#439

Nth-ing no social life and the related whines. I hate the mild feeling of discomfort I get when I tell most people I'm a software engineer. I hate having eclectic or traditional "nerdy" interests and getting a similar reaction. I've been enjoying Classic, and I have a small online circle for the niche games/music/art I like. I hate that I like these things in spite of the detriment to my social benefit to liking them…

Embrace your nerdy hobbies. I do and I have a wife, kid and everything. Nobody gives a shit man, just (try to) be happy. Do your thang.

Re: Ask HN: Are you ok?

#440
As a remote worker I find myself isolated a lot, mostly spending time with my kids. Although I love them, that on its own can be tough. My partner recently left me though and the isolation has become particularly awful. I lost a job over it which was unprecedented and a major blow to my ego. I've gotten past the initial shock, but the damage it did is still evident in my life.

I guess I'm okay, but I don't feel okay. I'm alone. I have a lot of friends but it feels as though I've been isolated too long to really leverage those friendships. I made major changes in my life for her, many at my expense and her benefit. In retrospect I was unwittingly setting her up to leave comfortably. If our roles were reversed people would think I did something absolutely heinous to her by leaving like that. I don't think anyone really cares what position this puts me in.

I'm fortunate in that I found a small amount of work serendipitously, but it's nowhere near enough. I put a lot of time, consideration, and effort into finding the job I lost as it fit the way my life is at the moment (staying home, caring for a 2, 9, and 10 year old). I don't think I'm going to stumble into that again. The job search has been soul crushing. So many jobs I can do, so few with a schedule I can fit into.

On the bright side I went for a dive a couple weeks ago and swam with some harbour seals, a really big salmon shark, and saw some otters. I speared some fish and brought them home to my kids and made fish tacos. That was really fun. We're going to blast off a huge rocket we built this weekend. There's plenty to feel okay about.

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