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Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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Apparently a lot of us also like really old books? (mmmm 1910 manual on steel production.)

Wait, can you link to that?

(this comment to be replaced by a link or other information as soon as I remember to put the book in my hand when I'm next standing near it)

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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My contract was just cut early at a large corp. So, this is awful. Second time I have lost a gig in the past 2 years. I can't take this biz anymore. About time to jump off a friggin' cliff.

I agree with the other comment...don't take it too hard. All the old heads here have been through this a few times before. The dot-com bomb. Then 2008. It will all come back up in time. Software isn't going away.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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Remember that there are many reasons why someone would not get hired despite having top work experience. I have seen people out of FAANGs with 10+ years of experience sharing their CV after being laid off and some will struggle to get any interview, let alone get a good job, just because the format of said CV was absolutely awful. If you aren't getting interviews, it's your CV that is the problem.

Can you give some examples of bad format?

Not a resume expert, but one thing that I think is bad are the multiple page resumes. You should try as hard as you can to make it fit on one page. It's so much easier to get recruiters to read a one page resume.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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I'm in the US and would love to hear about the UK expefiencd. What's it like when being laid off in the UK? Do you get guaranteed severance and some breathing room from the stress of rent or mortgage payments? Do you worry about access to high quality Healthcare? Overall, do you think being in the UK makes you less worried that a layoff will leave you broke and homeless?

It depends on your company, but the statutory minimums are awful. You get a minimum of 2 week's extra pay if you have over 2 years service, and Job Seekers' Allowance is about 77 quid a week - so imagine living on less than $500 a month. Healthcare access (via the NHS) is unaffected, you might be able to get free prescriptions too. But in general it's terrible. As always in Europe you either want to be an ultra-rich…

Exactly on point, Europe is feudal and always have been. It is actually the reason why USA was "invented", when people who were fed up with the system left to start anew.

I studied, lived and worked in high demand field all my adult life in Europe, am in my mid 30s and have nothing really to show for it. Salaries are lower than USA, the taxes are ridiculous, (progressive up to 50%), reasonably new house prices in reasonable locations are in millions. And health care... lol.. ok - it just about works, but as you can imagine anything public is prone to corruption and lowest passable quality

Seeing USA, the last bastion for people who could make something out of themselves by real work crumbling and crawling to its death is disheartening.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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Personally I find it amusing watching tech workers who were resting and vesting from the 2016 to 2022 period find out how broken the hiring system is. Here's a tip, it always was. I struggled to find a job for years and the only advice people in tech were willing to give is that I should have gone to Standford (Washington State University for life) or I should just try harder. Eventually I got a job in a call center…

>I hope you all suffer like I had to suffer. I'm sorry for the ill-minded advice you got, but not everyone in tech is an asshole. By definition a very small minority has Ivy-league, trust fund-brat backgrounds. There are people from all walks of life, many like yours, and not few that would think _you_ are spoiled and entitled - I've seen developers from Gaza posting on HN, for instance. Give that a thought before wi…

I formerly worked for a FAANG, but I come from quite humble circumstances: I grew up on a small farm in Pennsylvania. Also, I've been in this industry for years but I've never "vested and rested." The vast majority of people in tech are working for a salary and benefits.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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I recently got laid off in the UK and it was really hard to find something decent. There's jobs out there, but most aren't all that great and the interviews were much harder to come by. I was ghosted by recruiters countless times after being told I would be put forward for certain roles which has never happened to me before...

I find UK recruiters to be the flakiest. At first I figured it was my timezone, but they seem to really just drop prospects that don't get them a sure-fire commission immediately.

Oh UK recruiters, for the most part cowboys with attention span of coked up butterfly. Hats of to the few real ones...

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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> As always in Europe you either want to be an ultra-rich landowning aristocrat (little to no property tax, inheritance tax, etc.) or very poor/unemployed (e.g. a refugee) so you qualify for state housing, etc. - work does not pay. I just left an inappropriately long comment saying, in effect, actually the same thing. The US isn't perfect, but if you want to work you're generally able to move up the economic ladder e…

> make wealth creation via employment almost impossible. Depends on what 'wealth' means here, but you can get a 1% salary in England in your late 20s by contracting in tech and save several grand a month. Put that in shares & buy-to-lets and you'll be very well off by 40 compared to the average person. With the lower cost of living I don't see any issues here... If that's what drives you of course.

used to be like that 20 years ago, maybe still doable in todays economy but the bar is much much higher and there are some new risks involved

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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No, and there are far more disingenuous engagements from recruiters and startup founders. It seems like a perceived 'glut of senior talent' is driving this behavior, at least that is my conclusion.

What kind of disingenuous behaviour have you experienced?

Best example I can think of is recruiting for non-existent roles.

Re: Ask HN: Laid off folks, are you getting hired?

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It depends on your company, but the statutory minimums are awful. You get a minimum of 2 week's extra pay if you have over 2 years service, and Job Seekers' Allowance is about 77 quid a week - so imagine living on less than $500 a month. Healthcare access (via the NHS) is unaffected, you might be able to get free prescriptions too. But in general it's terrible. As always in Europe you either want to be an ultra-rich…

Exactly on point, Europe is feudal and always have been. It is actually the reason why USA was "invented", when people who were fed up with the system left to start anew. I studied, lived and worked in high demand field all my adult life in Europe, am in my mid 30s and have nothing really to show for it. Salaries are lower than USA, the taxes are ridiculous, (progressive up to 50%), reasonably new house prices in rea…

Yeah, although the USA didn't get there by itself, it's built on an empire of exploitation and murder in Latin America and Asia, etc.

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post #216

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> There's a definite hiring slowdown due to current market circumstances and the fact that "Senior" really doesn't mean what it used to, so there's a lot more competition for those roles now. What do you mean by "Senior" changing meaning?

Meaning title inflation. Senior used to mean 5-8 years of experience. Principal or Staff 10-20. So now a lot of people that have experience sort into the bucket of Senior.

I wonder what I should write with my many years of experience. So far, I'll be content with "Tech Lead" and let recruiters ask me what it means in my org. This is a nice conversation prompt.
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