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Re: Ask HN: Who has moved from the U.S. to Europe?

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Public schools and libraries are socialistic tools now? They were a thing before Marx has even dreamt about socialism. Since you are from one of more developed ex EU member state, you could surely afford to travel to an ex communist EU member state to see for yourself (go outside of capitals) what poverty in EU looks like.

This is so far away from my original argument of "not wealthy" I don't see the point in discussing with you. What are you trying to prove? that poor people exist in the EU? of course they do.

>>Even with this caveat, there is a difference in principle that I believe distinguishes the way of life for the less wealthy in the US compared to most of the EU.

I don't think you have seen how poor people live on either side of the Atlantic and yet you believe being poor in EU is inherently better than in the USA. What is your source of information?

Re: Ask HN: Who has moved from the U.S. to Europe?

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This is so far away from my original argument of "not wealthy" I don't see the point in discussing with you. What are you trying to prove? that poor people exist in the EU? of course they do.

>>Even with this caveat, there is a difference in principle that I believe distinguishes the way of life for the less wealthy in the US compared to most of the EU. I don't think you have seen how poor people live on either side of the Atlantic and yet you believe being poor in EU is inherently better than in the USA. What is your source of information?

I am not talking about poverty

Re: Ask HN: Who has moved from the U.S. to Europe?

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>Unless we foolishly enter a time machine, this is irrelevant. I don't think the holocaust is "irrelevant." When you stop believing it can happen again (which apparently you've done), you lose the defenses to keep it from happening again. I'm very glad my minority kid has means to self defense if people ever choose to attack her perceived ethnic group. Also, there are plenty of murders in Netherlands, too. Although n…

The holocaust really has no relevance to gun policy. Plenty of well-armed nations were invaded by the Germans and subjected to its horrors. I don't want to get into a whole 2A discussion but, this is precisely the kind of garbage pro-gun rhetoric we're hoping to escape by leaving. The rest of your comment feels like it's from the perspective of someone who's not tried these lifestyles, or is naive to their costs. Cyc…

>The rest of your comment feels like it's from the perspective of someone who's not tried these lifestyles, or is naive to their costs.

This couldn't be further from the truth. I was born and raised in the midwest, and founded my career there. I raised my family there for some time as well (and you may be suprised, but my brown wife and half brown daughter were never mistreated because of their race, even in our white town I (white guy) was the only one of us to ever receive scornful racial slur said to me). There was never a single 'shooting' you are so worried about at my school, or any of the surrounding ones. The only school where I can think of where that even happens is the closest big city. The most violence I ever saw were a few consensual fist-fights amongst middle and high schoolers, which always ended when one opponent gave up.

My parents were school teachers. Which in rural America is to say, they made barely more than a factory worker. Like the factory workers, we had a single family home, health care, and I received such a good education at my shitty midwestern public school. With that rural ('free') public school education I received a full scholarship to a top 10 engineering school in the US.

>Living in the Midwest subjects you to intense levels of religiosity, racism, misogyny, homophobia, and a thorough lack of multiculturalism

This is utter bullshit, have you ever lived in the midwest? I experienced none of this in Chicago, in fact in many areas I was minority as a white person. One neighborhood I lived in on the north side, probably half the people were LGBTQ. I worked extensively with people of all nationalities; in fact most business owners I met in my line of work came from either 1st or 2nd generation immigrants.

Yes I lived most my life in the US (although I have lived and fought in 3rd world and married a 3rd world national). I used a bike exclusively for 5+ years. I exclusively biked in Chicago, which is a walkable Midwest city, and had healthcare/education/decent apartment all for ~75th percentile wage. I was hurt a few times on a bicycle but never murdered. Were I to have owned a gun while in Chicago, I thankly never would have had occasion to have used it, because unless I was dumb enough to sell drugs on the south side no one had any interest in murdering me.

>A nation without equal access to reproductive freedom teaches each of its citizens that women do not have a fundamental right to control their bodies.

There are plenty of states in Europe too with reproductive rights controversy, such as Poland. To suggest contraceptives or abortion are inaccessible in US is just fabrication.

>The holocaust really has no relevance to gun policy.

It does if you want people to have some sort of defense to soldiers, even if it means dying on their feet instead of their knees. The ghetto uprising held off the Nazis for days and that was under incredibly unfavorable gun policy. When the Russians attempted this same genocide in Chechnya, widespread arms in Chechen hands prevented a holocaust sort of scenario and in fact the Chechens even gained independence for some time. And in the French underground, policies restricting arms to civilians in France played significant factor in issues with arming the underground (who helped liberate Paris from holocaust causing Nazis).

>garbage pro-gun rhetoric we're hoping to escape by leaving.

You haven't escaped it. People are printing FGC-9 and other home manufactured firearms in the Netherlands as we speak. And jail sentence is very lax/minimal there compared to US, so you can be assured those trading in arms in Netherlands are really not worried about being caught. Here is example of people selling them in NL on insta [0]. Oh and ammo -- don't worry it can easily be made from completely unregulated components in EU, although mostly only people in EU interested in firearms know about this.

Anyway, have fun in Netherlands. You do have my jealousy for the experience. It's always fun experiencing life in new places, and I hope it is a great time for you.

[0] https://twitter.com/Xaniken/status/1345308913189715970/photo...

Re: Ask HN: Who has moved from the U.S. to Europe?

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Well, think of it like this: I worked hard, contributed hard, and chased the American dream. I found it distasteful and repugnant - so I moved. (And, btw, $2,000,000 is hardly "high-roller" status, spread out in taxes over 15 years... unless of course you're one of those "living under a bridge because medical bankrupcy" Americans, lol..)

If you've paid 30% effective federal tax rate (which is what I am guessing about right for a single individual with this kind of income) you'd have to make about 450K per year over 15 years to get to 2M in taxes. If you counted CA taxes then it drops your average income to 330K. My guess is that you are either miscalculating your taxes or misdescribing your experiences (overpriced housing in LA circa 2001 while makin…

This person is so out of touch with reality, thinking 330k+ is barely out of "living under the bridge because of medical debt" territory, that for someone of fairly modest background like myself I may as well be talking to an alien. Yet they seem to legitimately think they narrowly escaped the rocks of poverty.

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If you've paid 30% effective federal tax rate (which is what I am guessing about right for a single individual with this kind of income) you'd have to make about 450K per year over 15 years to get to 2M in taxes. If you counted CA taxes then it drops your average income to 330K. My guess is that you are either miscalculating your taxes or misdescribing your experiences (overpriced housing in LA circa 2001 while makin…

This person is so out of touch with reality, thinking 330k+ is barely out of "living under the bridge because of medical debt" territory, that for someone of fairly modest background like myself I may as well be talking to an alien. Yet they seem to legitimately think they narrowly escaped the rocks of poverty.

Yeah, it's in 95% percentile even now, 20 years ago even $300K was extraordinary wealthy.

Re: Ask HN: Who has moved from the U.S. to Europe?

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My family and I left at the end of 2019. I left for a number of reasons, but the biggest is I don't want my son to not have a life, and instead just have work and high stress. And, even if he won the work lottery and ends up at a tech company I don't want to live in a place where I look at the kids on my block and know their life is just a future of never ending work/stress with no vacation or community that helps th…

> One of our biggest complaints is that in the USA it is super hard to make friends as everyone is super stressed, doesn't go to parks, and work long hours

Where were you experiencing this in the US? I have felt it from time to time but not always, curious if this was in the Bay Area or elsewhere.

Re: Ask HN: Who has moved from the U.S. to Europe?

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My family and I left at the end of 2019. I left for a number of reasons, but the biggest is I don't want my son to not have a life, and instead just have work and high stress. And, even if he won the work lottery and ends up at a tech company I don't want to live in a place where I look at the kids on my block and know their life is just a future of never ending work/stress with no vacation or community that helps th…

> One of our biggest complaints is that in the USA it is super hard to make friends as everyone is super stressed, doesn't go to parks, and work long hours Where were you experiencing this in the US? I have felt it from time to time but not always, curious if this was in the Bay Area or elsewhere.

Yep, in Boulder/Denver in CO as new family with our first kid. I've also lived in Florida, DC, and AR.

American society just isn't built to bump into people, lots of driving and overall people favor their own backyard with huge yards over public spaces for everyone. From a societal POV it makes sense as well, everyone is stressed over money/health, long commutes and long hours, and no vacation time. Just part of American culture, no emphasize on the "life" part of work/life balance.

I don't have many friends in the USA who that doesn't describe. Some have found ways out of it, mostly through high paying jobs, but even then they are working insane hours and still stressed.

Re: Ask HN: Who has moved from the U.S. to Europe?

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- Estonia - Pay and all the amenities of home, particularly in regard to food (both fast and cooking at home varieties) - Well, a wife, but everything else is in the negative Very short version of a long story: Am American. Company got bought, I was laid off. Travelled for a while. Friend eventually got me to move to Estonia to work. Hated it immediately. Made plans to move back, met a girl, stayed for said girl beca…

Lived for Estonia for a long time, so I totally feel you pain. The country is designed for the specific mindset. I mean if you like cold weather, hate interacting with people and prefer to stay at home in general. Otherwise, yeah, it's really painful :-) However, the purchasing power for a software developer is pretty decent there, if you compare it to the popular destinations like Berlin or Amsterdam.

> I’ll do my job, but I’m not going to work my ass off or do anything more than absolutely required” kind of apathy. What's wrong with this approach? People just don't want to stress out to buy their CEO a new sport car.

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I recently moved from the US to Berlin. I plan to return to the US. Pros of Berlin: - Good transport - Bikeable - Safe - Cheaper than the big coastal cities in the US, with lower rent. - Good clubbing (not my thing) Cons of Berlin: - Healthcare is inconvenient. Doctor's offices won't pick up the phone, and won't leave you on hold. You just have to go in person. Providers all work in small doctor-owned practices, and…

> The salaries are shockingly low. Really ask yourself if all the comforts of Europe are worth cutting your salary in 2 or 3, and that's before... Exactly! No amount of health-care and vacation can cover for that. And that's why as for a skilled immigrant, USA is top destination. > Taxes. The top tax rate here is in the low-40s, comparable to the US, but unlike the US, the top tax bracket starts below $65k. It's funn…

Government revenue is 30% of GDP. Most of that comes either from taxing either US nationals or those residing inside US, or indirectly via tariffs and inflation (both of which effects both US nationals and foreigners).

90 years ago it was about 1/4th that figure (as percent GDP). We've had an explosion of government siphoning of GDP, so it's no surprise some people aren't happy about the situation. Recent stimulus checks excepted, in the US a single person making above poverty line can actually be taxed into poverty.

I have looked into opting out of social security, but unfortunately you have to be a member of one of a few select religious organizations or certain unusual employment situations to be exempted (believe some teachers and rail workers with special retirement plans are excepted). I would like to see that option. Let me opt out for life of getting benefits of transfer payment, and in exchange not require me to pay any social transfer payment tax.

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I am an immigrant from Albania. American bombs ended the Kosovo genocide. I have reasons to be grateful for this military and I can be upset and disappointed in it at the same time. I did not say America is wonderful. I don't know why you even quoted that word, when it did not appear in my post. I claimed American taxpayers protect Australia's sovereignty. Obviously your state can do better things with its budget whe…

> See Ukraine. Didn't seem to help the Ukraine at all last time around. :/

The only reason Ukraine still has a government right now is because of NATO forces on the border. I think it would be foolish to believe Putin would have stopped at Crimea had it not been for that. I pray that we do not go to war with Russia over this, but I also know that the Ukrainian people are counting on us to defend their freedom. It is tough all around.
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