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Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by jcbrand »

shanselman wrote: post #327

This article nails it...the Worst Part about Working at Microsoft http://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2013/10/09/what-is-the-wor... It's the number of people who doubt us. We suck, we hate OSS, we are evil, we are incompetent. Thing is, Microsoft isn't a monolith. It's little startups, small groups and big groups. I went there 5 years ago to do open source and I'm doing it. I can't speak for the other gajillion groups…

Oh, you mean the article that claims MS should get credit for the chair I'm sitting on? Uh, ok...

Making OSS that only works on the MS stack doesn't really count.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by thisiswrong »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #97

> Why the Microsoft hate? Because of Microsoft's shady business practices over the years (including Elop killing Nokia's most promising phone OS, Meego, and driving the share price down so MS could scoop it up) and the fact their software is just plain bad. No one actually wants to use MS Windows. Microsoft ruined/killed some of their most beloved franchises (Age of Empires, Flight Simulator, Combat Flight Simulator)…

> Microsoft ruined/killed some of their most beloved franchises (Age of Empires, Flight Simulator, Combat Flight Simulator). Internet Explorer is a joke.

This! The AOE series was and IS a central piece of rts history. Ensemble Studios. AOE Online :(

WTF Microsoft?

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by esw »

tluyben2 wrote: post #331

First of all let me say that of the research I follow, MS research is definitely in my top list. And you personally (with non MSR people like Jonathan Edwards) are among the few who try to help the crap we call programming which I hope you will pursue for a long time. I follow your research and your comments on HN. On MS (mostly opinion here as most posters in this kind of thread): I used to love MS in the 80s, becau…

Oh, but 3.1 was freaking light years ahead of Windows 286/386. It was the first remotely usable version of Windows.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by Dylan16807 »

jlgreco wrote: post #238
Anderkent wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Anyway, do you know what I do when there are discussions online about my employer? I stay the fuck out of it. That's a shame, since as an employee you have an unique and very valuable perspective on the company. Why not participate, perhaps add a disclaimer?

I understand that perspective, but what I know is either public knowledge, or behind a few NDAs. Furthermore, my employer politely asks that I don't, and I'd rather not anyway. Online PR, no matter how unofficial, isn't something that I am comfortable with.

Public doesn't mean widely-known. And I feel vaguely uneasy at the idea that everything not explicity public would be NDA.

That said, I fully respect the preference not to and the request not to.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by Dylan16807 »

troels wrote: post #374
notaddicted wrote: post #133

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I doubt anyone would disagree that triple negatives aren't easy to parse.

It's not the triple negative that is the culprit here though. It's the inherent ambiguity in a phrase such as "never been better", which could be either a negative or positive statement. I'm sure there's a name for that construct?

I think tptacek's sentence would need a 'than' to have a valid reading as a positive statement. 'never been better' is ambiguous by itself, but by the time you put it into a sentence it may or may not be ambiguous.

So my answer is mu.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by belorn »

girvo wrote: post #380
belorn wrote: post #318

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What did you try to accomplish with this post? The parent post talks about the perceived mono-culture of Microsoft, and the effects this has on his "friend Greg" when Greg later tries to seek a new job. Your post is all about how much you like Microsoft. It could likely be replaced by the words "But I like Microsoft developer tools", and still get the exact same message across. There is no sources to back it up, or a…

I find people that "like" companies quite amusing. I think Microsoft has potential, but currently there is a reason I don't use any of their products nor plan to personally. Doesn't mean they don't have their place, like any product. Also, an argument could easily be made that OP's post, which I found really interesting, is just another way of saying "Microsoft sucks", as it is merely anecdotes without sources again.…

Anecdotes is better than pure opinion. They can be poked at and questioned as any other unreliable evidence, and has a place in discussions (if somewhat far down).

However, saying "I _liked_ Silverlight" is not an anecdote. I can't discuss it, poke or question it, as it is without doubt true that you do indeed like Silverlight. As substance for a discussion, it as empty as it can be. At best, I can ask you to write a new comment which explains why you like Silverlight, in which you maybe then end up using anecdotes to support your view. That would then be the actually comment of substance, in which debate, research and discussion might flow from.

In the hierarchy, "I like X" and "I don't like X" is at the bottom. As such, my "ideal" is that comments should indeed strive to be above the lowest of the lowest, even if that means just going a step above into the realm of Anecdotes.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by Kungpaoshizi »

iamshs wrote: post #40

In that particular thread, I was accused of being a shill and an astroturfer by 3 members. All of the accusers had karma greater than 1500, and atleast two of them were on HN since at least 2 years. Why? Because I posted the spec list of the tablet. And I do not have allegiance to any of the tech companies at all, except having used their products one time or another. MS hate is vicious on here. I remember recoiledsn…

I get made fun of at work for USING Windows.. I usually revert to, "Let me know when Apple has something along the lines of Direct X" but the local Apple guys still think Apple is perfect. My boss sent me the "8.1 update for RT recalled", I asked about the SSD recall, or the bluescreening phones, or the recent contact bug, or iMessage debacle... They never listen to reason and there's always some sort of excuse, to them which is legitimate, in which they defend Apple but continue to bash Microsoft.. It's like arguing with a 5 year old why Heman is better than GI Joe

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by xradionut »

nivla wrote: post #226
joe_the_user wrote: post #217

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I think you are describing things from the point of view of the aware, tech-savy user. The average user buys stuff and things happen. People bought laptops and the laptops weren't what they were expecting. There's a lot they could have done in the abstract. There's a lot less they were capable of doing in reality.

I can understand from a moral/business perspective that drastic changes should be avoided in new releases but how is that an abuse of monopolistic power? Would you call Ubuntu's decision to suddenly switch all the window controls (Minimize, Maximize, Close) from left to right in one version an abuse of their "monopoly" in the Linux desktop world?

The majority of users don't live in a Ubuntu world, they have to deal with Microsoft at their job or school. Corporations are demanding Windows 7 over Windows 8.

And Linux users have a full spectrum of distributions to choose from. If Ubuntu acts like an ass-hat, I can easily switch to Mint when the LTS version is no longer supported. I have a choice of desktops environments that all run the same services and applications. I'm not locked in, nor is my data. Squeeeeeee!

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by jeremiep »

MortenK wrote: post #328
brass9 wrote: post #282

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Was the survey conducted in India, by any chance?

Monster.com job listings in the US by keyword: .NET - 1000+ positions Java - 1000+ positions PHP - 454 positions Python - 295 positions Ruby - 280 positions Node.js - 55 positions Lisp, Haskell, Scheme - 0 positions

Quantity is not the same as Quality.

I expect to find a larger percentage of competent programmers for the python/ruby jobs than for the .net/java jobs.

Every job I've had so far seems to prove this true.

Re: Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate?

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Post by calpaterson »

Samuel_Michon wrote: post #382
kayoone wrote: post #294

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Whenever i hear somebody talking MS down for not going with "standards" i have to look at the keyboard layout of my mac and start to laugh. Seriously, this is my biggest pain when changing between OSes.

The Mac keyboard layout is older than the Windows keyboard layout, so yes, that is an example of Microsoft choosing to create its own standard.

Actually, IBM invented that keyboard layout (in 1981, which was a few years after the Apple II)
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