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Ask HN: Have you ever regretted open-sourcing something?

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Re: Ask HN: Have you ever regretted open-sourcing something?

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Please don't comment like this on HN. You may not owe "exposure" any better, but you owe HN better if you want to participate here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

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Re: Ask HN: Have you ever regretted open-sourcing something?

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Why so harsh? I'm not advocating in doing it for the exposure as a primary reason. And absolutely not to be paid in exposure. 100% agree with the comic there. I should not have used that word. It is clearly charged with negativity. Of course I wish everyone would be compensated for their work. I feel that for some types of project, publishing as open source is a great way for people to find and use it. This can give…

Thanks for your reply. Yep, you got me with that word. Exposure has become totally toxic to me, just like "merit."

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To be honest, I do regret it. After 20 years of working on FOSS projects, I've invested enormous amounts of time, effort, and money into these and other free/open-source initiatives. It was enjoyable initially - there's something addictive about receiving praise from strangers and unknown communities. You keep going because it feels good and you develop a sense of moral superiority. But years later, when the people c…

What you describe is an interesting moral hazard variation: you were disconnected from the positive effects you had on others. All may not be lost: what if you were to reach out to individuals who have enjoyed your work?

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever regretted open-sourcing something?

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Please don't comment like this on HN. You may not owe "exposure" any better, but you owe HN better if you want to participate here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

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I don’t really know what you’re talking about or how it’s relevant (I know you’re referring to an incident that happened outside of HN).

The guidelines clearly ask us to “be kind” and to not “fulminate”. Your comment was flagged by several community members so there’s a pretty strong consensus that it’s not what we want on HN.

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It starts when companies decide they have a right to time outside the employee's official hours and that they shouldn't have to properly reflect it in their employees' salaries, nor in their employment guarantees. And furthermore, as an employee end of the day it's your right to have to be look out for yourself. You probably don't realize that because you're infected with startupitis where everyone has to be all in t…

I do realize that employees have to look out for themselves (because companies, including startups, will usually take, take take from the employee, and then throw away the carcass, if they can). However, employees work in a company with other people, so we'd like to know what we can and can't trust from each other. If a colleague engages in criminal fraud, do they have a rigorous philosophy about when and when not to…

A response to your comment could fill a book.

In short: it's complicated. Nobody minds about the technically "criminal fraud" when somebody brings home a couple dollars' worth of office supplies for private use. Everybody agrees that embezzling a million dollars should send you to jail. Meanwhile, something like grabbing a second lunch from the free company cafeteria and taking it home to eat as dinner will result in a lot of disagreement as to how bad that really is. But it also probably doesn't have a whole lot to do with whether you can trust that person's code reviews, because people are multifaceted and use different moral standards in different areas.

> so we'd like to know what we can and can't trust from each other.

Alas, we can't know. There are the things that are obviously fine, the things that are obviously not, and a GIGANTIC gray area in the middle which nobody is going to agree on, and companies will try to make policies that will always go too far in some parts and employees will always evade some of the policies they think are bad or unimportant.

And I think that when a company has a bad policy of overreaching in trying to claim ownership over things you do on your own time, and employees respond by falsely claiming that something they made predated their employment, that it's a fascinating example of that gray area.

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I don’t really know what you’re talking about or how it’s relevant (I know you’re referring to an incident that happened outside of HN). The guidelines clearly ask us to “be kind” and to not “fulminate”. Your comment was flagged by several community members so there’s a pretty strong consensus that it’s not what we want on HN.

That's...wow. What an absolutely disappointing reply.

If "be kind" is an actual value of HN I have yet to see it in almost 15 years of being active on this forum. This community is generally speaking not kind and fulminating is de rigeur as far as I've been able to surmise.

But whatever. I won't bother you or anyone else on here anymore. Good riddance.

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Ok, but corporations also lie to and defraud their employees all the time . In ways large and small. Nobody is entirely honest to everyone about everything in their workplace. You really think everyone is actually sick on every single sick day, or that every single doctor's appointment on their calendar is a real doctor's appointment? People never make excuses to their manager that are lies? Managers never lie to the…

> You really think everyone is actually sick on every single sick day, or that every single doctor's appointment on their calendar is a real doctor's appointment? ...I.....used to. Huh.

Hint: a non-trivial proportion of those doctor's appointments are actually interviews at competing firms.

There aren't usually a whole lot of other legitimate-sounding reasons for why you'll be out of the office for a 3- or 4-hour chunk...

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I don’t really know what you’re talking about or how it’s relevant (I know you’re referring to an incident that happened outside of HN). The guidelines clearly ask us to “be kind” and to not “fulminate”. Your comment was flagged by several community members so there’s a pretty strong consensus that it’s not what we want on HN.

That's...wow. What an absolutely disappointing reply. If "be kind" is an actual value of HN I have yet to see it in almost 15 years of being active on this forum. This community is generally speaking not kind and fulminating is de rigeur as far as I've been able to surmise. But whatever. I won't bother you or anyone else on here anymore. Good riddance.

You’re disappointed to discover after 15 years that we expect people to try to be kind and to avoid fulmination? I’m not sure what kind of forum you want this to be, but the guidelines have been pretty consistent about those things for much or all of that time, as has the approach to moderation. Yes people breach the guidelines all the time. That doesn’t stop us reminding people of them and continuing to aim for better. You’re always welcome here if you respect the community and want to make the effort to respect the guidelines.

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Meanwhile, here's Linus at the age of 42: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/linus-to-opensuse-devs-ki...

The world's most successful open source developer didn't converge on that communication style for no reason. I don't think I've seen a single person bring up the classism inherent in dictating gentlemanly manners. Part of what made open source unique is that people from all classes could participate, and working class people are not tuned to pick up on subtle communication the way the upper classes have been. Linus l…

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Re: Ask HN: Have you ever regretted open-sourcing something?

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My worst experience is to submit two decent PR that was ignored by maintainers. I had burden to support them for a month, solving merge conflicts, solving new bugs in the main branch that were merged without testing, and to adapt test system to prove my changes are solving something. And then I saw that maintainer not just ignores but closes every else PR with these words: > your contributions are too undisciplined a…

You should be a bit more humble imo. An open source maintainer (author) is _not_ required to look at PRs. Besides, who wants to work with a (quote) "unreliable rightless russian troll backdoor vibecoder fake individual"? ...

> (quote) "unreliable rightless russian troll backdoor vibecoder fake individual"

First off you're allowed some self deprecating humor. Second where did you pull that quote?

Maintainer had a year to review the PR. It's obvious they want to solve it their way. Perhaps the maintainers wanted smaller PRs. Perhaps the maintainers got spooked by vibe coder. Still no reason to treat even an LLM that badly. I'm no saint, but I closed worse PRs with less hostility.

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