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Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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> it's also very boring I think SO many people overlook this very fact. Most people don't need alcohol to have a good time however it's called a "social lubricant" for a reason. Sometimes people just need a tiny push to become less self conscious or less introverted. Life is short. You can spend years trying to be healthy and perfect but you need to ask yourself whether you're happy while doing that. If the answer is…

On the other hand, there is a risk some people are using alcohol to medicate otherwise treatable conditions such as social anxiety. That is a spectacularly shitty long term strategy, since an alcohol habit actually increases your general anxiety levels when sober. You shouldn't need to have beer to be comfortable talking to people.

You should do whatever you want. But what other should is up to them.

There is a time for facing your demons, and there is a time for simply enjoying.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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My parents used to drink all the time. So I grew up thinking that drinking alcohol was what normal people did. The quantity of drinking depicted on Mad Men was about the right amount for their generation.

I also hung out with people who drank a lot. There's a saying "birds of a feather flock together". Hanging out with drinkers meant that drinking was the social norm. I really only noticed this after getting run over by a car - I had turned into a miserable person who even I didn't want to be around (additionally, many of my social group were not all that fun to be around when both of us were sober). When I stopped hanging around drinkers, I found it easier to cut way down on alcohol consumption. I also didn't realize just how expensive it is until I cut down.

Then I got gall stones and had to have my gall bladder removed. Something else went wrong with/from the surgery and my pancreas got badly infected. This resulted in me having to make massive changes in what I ate, how I ate and when I ate. Completely discontinuing alcohol was one of those changes. No more bacon cheeseburgers was another change. A person with a working gallbladder is capable of eating lots of garbage, but without one, I have to be more picky than a stereotypical vegan (or pick whatever stereotype you want to mock and dial it up to at least 9¾). Some types of fat (like margarine) will have me stuck to the toilet. I hate it. I miss bacon cheeseburgers. And potato chips. I never realized just how many pizzerias use fake cheese (made from vegetable oil), and now I can hardly eat any pizzas. I hate it.

Excessive alcohol consumption is one of the risk factors for getting gall stones. Others include: overweight, too much fatty foods, being female, being sedentary or over 40.

> the foggy head feeling

I grew up thinking this was the entire point of drinking alcohol. Or smoking pot. Or opiates. My sister refuses to take pain killers because she hates the blurry thinking and foggy head feeling.

> I have a hard time saying no to a drink if everyone else is having a drink

This means that you need to change who you socialize with. I'm sorry - there's no way around this. You cannot associate with "users" and stay sober. This also took me a very long time to realize. Humans are social animals. If everyone you associate picks their nose - you will start to pick your nose. It is called "mirroring". It is a bug in the wetware.

Alternative: instead of ordering at the table like others, go up to the bar and order something non-alcoholic. In America, such drinks usually get "virgin" prepended to the name. Or instead of a "rum & coke", just a coke with a wedge of lime. Expensive, but then you're renting space at the bar/restaurant. They need to survive as well.

> how to get out of just hating yourself when you fail

Take each day as it comes. Don't hammer yourself when you stumble and fall. I used to mock AA members - that was wrong of me. It took me a very long time to realize that many of the 12 steps are important and do work.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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I don’t have any good advice on stopping drinking, but what I will say is that some people have a physiological addiction response to alcohol that others do not and those who do not usually don’t realize this, so they can blithely say things like, “just don’t drink” without realizing that this is a genuinely difficult thing for others. I, fortunately, am not among those who have the addictive response and when, as an…

This is also my case. I used to drink heavily but I had no problems stopping. It also helped that it was a social habit, never at home.

Now I drink only beer socially and very rarely wine at home, say once in a month.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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How did I stop drinking?

Well, I let it get so far out of hand that my only solution appeared to be suicide. Luckily that attempt failed and I received the help I long since needed. That, together with knowing the next drink will probably kill me, is a great motivator to stay sober!

This is not a joke or an exaggeration, but I also realize its of not much help to most people. What I can say is that in every self-help group I've been to there is a history of family instability found in every single one of the participants. It affects people more than they think and it's a good idea to read up on it. Even if you think your childhood was stellar - when you're faced with irrational behavior you can't seem to stop, there is a reason for that. And that reason is usually found in the formative years of your life.

Especially western middle-class 'perfect childhoods' are plagued with invisible emotional neglect and unhealthy boundaries between children and parents. We just don't see it as such because it's the norm.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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I remember injuries from exercising and other things involving exercise because they lasted months or forever . You’re acting as if exercise never has any drawbacks - like the other commenter said. It definitely does. Getting injured is part of it and is a routine issue for many people - you try to avoid it but it just happens. I’ve had issues with my patella tracking for years now. My fingers don’t act the same caus…

This sort of applies to misguided training as well. If you are into training, training like an idiot with get-jacked-quick schemes like german volume training 7 days a week or the bulgarian method or whatever, that sure may appear sweet before you try it. A torn ACL or rotator cuff later, and maybe it wasn't such a great idea. In retrospect, boring modest training would have gotten you a lot farther.

There are risks that cannot be fully mitigated in your climbing a mountain example - rockfall, avalanche, unstable terrain, sudden storms, etc.

Going to the gym and doing boring modest stairmaster will be a lot safer than climbing actual mountains. Yet you seem to recommend the accomplishment aspect of climbing mountains.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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Alcohol promises a great time. Alcohol delivers a hangover and regrets. I drink alcohol at least 2 or 3 times a week. I can't remember the last time I had a hangover. I just don't drink an excessive amount. Junk food promises a great time. Junk food delivers poor health and regrets. I eat junk food a few times every month. I'm above average on most health metrics. Going to the gym promises hardship and struggle. It d…

"I eat junk food few times a month and I'm fine" does not mean someone can "do their own thing" eating fast food as their main diet and be fine.

Obviously, I was just answering the point that "Junk food delivers poor health and regrets." Junk food doesn't do that. Junk food in excess does.

People repeating the boring mantra of "Eat well, stop drinking, go to the gym, read improving books" are just trying to exert control over the lives of others, especially if they do it in a preachy "You'll regret it if you don't!" way. It's an unimaginative lifestyle with no room for joy. Everyone can enjoy life and embrace bad things on occasion without doing irreparable harm to themselves. If someone choose a shitty diet that is their decision to make. It's not up to you, me, or anyone else to tell others how to live.

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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After reading "Why we sleep" (Matthew Walker) and "Spark" (John Ratey) I went from drinking a couple of times a week (some beers, sometimes a cocktail) to zero.

Knowing the damage I was doing to myself, all the side effects and bad impact on my health (sleep, hearth, overall physical performance) literally stopped me from continuing with this. Moreover, in the same period the report the article "THE IMPACT OF ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION ON CARDIOVASCULAR HEALTH: MYTHS AND MEASURES"[1] from World Health Federation came out. TL; DR: the right amount of alcohol for anyone is precisely zero.

In short, a better knowledge of what I was doing to my body helped my in stopping a bad habit.

[1]: https://world-heart-federation.org/wp-content/uploads/WHF-Po...

Re: Ask HN: How did you stop drinking?

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Stopping social drinking was tougher than stopping binge drinking for me. What helped was deciding to go 100% cold turkey for a year. It forced me to learn how to socialise sober. Before that it was too easy to opt out of sobriety "just for this occasion".
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