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Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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Maybe it was an MEng (Master of Engineering), which is an undergraduate degree in UK? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Engineering#United_K...

Nope; definitely an MSc! It’s a bit of a cash cow course, ended up doing an MSc in CS at another university.

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Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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FWIW I too thought it meant the opposite of underemployed. I didn’t realize the “fraudulent holding of two jobs simultaneously” had acquired this name. Apparently there are other definitions as well, used in economics. One being when workers want to work less (even for less money) but can’t… which is sort of the opposite of the two-jobs thing I guess: https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences/applied-and-soc...

What's fraudulent about it, assuming it's not violating any employment agreements?

In that case it wouldn’t be, but from what I’ve seen online most of the forums, tips etc about this are for people with two full-time jobs they “work” simultaneously and not for people who legitimately go to their second job after finishing their first job.

Good luck finding an employer who agrees to that.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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The Warhammer 40k jokes for this just write themselves, don't they?

Incredible, I never knew I needed a Warhammer 40k / Office Space crossover until this moment To the DeepFakeMobile!!

This is the best I could get in five tries with DreamStudio.ai: https://imgur.com/a/0MlOlFU

The other attempts just got me either something looking like a regular startup meeting or WH40k figurines with a regular meeting happening in the background.

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post #28

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You do realize that at some point you will actually need to go to the company your are interviewing with in person and to provide a lot more personal information than just a blurry mugshot from a Zoom call in order to be able to be employed and collect a salary?? Nobody collects "critical PII" using job interviews, no company has time for such nonsense. The companies that do collect such information don't do it using…

This is a real concern for job seekers. I would send my info to any Hong Kong, Israeli or African based random job ad because of identity fraud

So you don't research the company you are applying to for a job before you make the application??

I think you have a much bigger problem then.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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You do realize that at some point you will actually need to go to the company your are interviewing with in person and to provide a lot more personal information than just a blurry mugshot from a Zoom call in order to be able to be employed and collect a salary?? Nobody collects "critical PII" using job interviews, no company has time for such nonsense. The companies that do collect such information don't do it using…

> You do realize that at some point you will actually need to go to the company your are interviewing with in person and to provide a lot more personal information than just a blurry mugshot from a Zoom call in order to be able to be employed and collect a salary? HR these days can be done online -- sign the forms and post a picture of your identification to website that HR controls. 100% remote is a thing these days…

Not everything can be done online, it depends on jurisdiction, etc.

Don't assume that because in your field this is possible it is the case everywhere else.

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You do realize that at some point you will actually need to go to the company your are interviewing with in person and to provide a lot more personal information than just a blurry mugshot from a Zoom call in order to be able to be employed and collect a salary?? Nobody collects "critical PII" using job interviews, no company has time for such nonsense. The companies that do collect such information don't do it using…

> You do realize that at some point you will actually need to go to the company your are interviewing with in person and to provide a lot more personal information than just a blurry mugshot from a Zoom call in order to be able to be employed and collect a salary?? This hasn't been a requirement in any remote position I've had since ~2016.

So you didn't have to provide a proof of health insurance, your national ID number, bank account number for salary, postal address, phone number, etc.?

Not because the company really cares about those things but because the government (tax office, etc.) requires them to collect and forward this information so that you can be properly registered in the various tax, pension and healthcare systems?

Don't assume that what works in your niche is possible/works for everyone else too.

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So don't do it at scale. Just to jobs you're applying to.

you hint at the nuance involved. I did say by general rule. and there are many cases where one does not apply but rather a remote actor reaches out, ostensibly a hiring company.

What does "a remote actor reaches out" mean? As in "a recruiter contacts the candidate", or "Daniel Day-Lewis extends an arm"?

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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Earlier this year, I interviewed this guy who gave me really strange vibes. He would stall for a good 15-20 seconds after each question I asked... and then spit out a perfectly worded answer. I google'd some specific, peculiar phrases I remembered him saying after the interview and found that the phrases came straight out of places like the Kubernetes documentation, word for word. He was googling my questions and the…

So all these Indian outsourcing companies like Infosys, Wipro and TCS (just like FAANG, they accronymize to WITCH) hog the American H1B immigration system by submitting an application for as many candidates as possible, and get a large number of H1Bs approved and send their employees to the US. The salary for these employees isn’t exactly great. If I’m not wrong they still work through these witch companies and get t…

You mentioned H-1Bs and I'm running with it.

H-1B visas should be given out using an auction system. The minimum salary for the position should be some percentage of resulting price.

I think this would go a long way to ensuring that companies use the program for what it was intended for and stop the abuses.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone having issues with job applicant fraud?

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This is the reason why employee recommendation have far higher success rate.

Now someone just needs to tell companies that the way to reward those is with significant cash in hand. I've had companies offer $500 for a referral, if that person took the job and stayed with the company for at least 6 months (this was for a position with a salary of ~50$ per hour).

I've never seen less than $5k, and for much needed roles it's usually at least $10k.

I think it just comes down to the quality of company.

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