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Ask HN: Examples of startups that failed due to moving slowly?

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Re: Ask HN: Examples of startups that failed due to moving slowly?

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Lyft maybe this? The other groupon competitors? Foursquare?

Could not agree more on Lyft. In a winner-take-all market where an all-out land grab is critical to the long-term success of the marketplace, moving quickly and being the first to reach that golden scale of monopolistic ownership of supply and demand is absolutely key.

Not a perfect comparison given Lyft was founded 2 years after Uber and therefore was already at a disadvantage, but had they grown faster, they might have been able to overtake Uber's position.

In any case, the outcome of the Uber / Didi battle in China should be a great data point for this question.

Re: Ask HN: Examples of startups that failed due to moving slowly?

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I'd argue that HipChat, Campfire and Yammer all "lost" to Slack because they weren't moving fast enough. This Google trends line is interesting: https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=slack%2C%20hipchat%2...

I honestly believe Slack got big so fast because of their awesome awesome campaign advert. Just like the dollar shave club ad too. Some startups forget that the first impression and cool factor still play a big role in creating a huge buzz about your app.

I can't speak for the other applications, but have you used Hipchat? It's really poor in comparison to Slack.

I preferred Skype instead of using Hipchat, that's how bad it was.

Re: Ask HN: Examples of startups that failed due to moving slowly?

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Lyft maybe this? The other groupon competitors? Foursquare?

Could not agree more on Lyft. In a winner-take-all market where an all-out land grab is critical to the long-term success of the marketplace, moving quickly and being the first to reach that golden scale of monopolistic ownership of supply and demand is absolutely key. Not a perfect comparison given Lyft was founded 2 years after Uber and therefore was already at a disadvantage, but had they grown faster, they might…

I don't think Lyft has failed by any means, it's a 4 billion dollar company and growing. Also, it seems they're quite quick to innovate. IIRC, they were first to come up with the carpool system that Uber then rapidly appropriated into UberPOOL. It's just hard to overtake a company executing as brilliantly as Uber.

Re: Ask HN: Examples of startups that failed due to moving slowly?

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"Failed" sometimes means bankruptcy, but you should also include those companies that survived but remained tiny, while one of their competitors became huge. Circa 1995, many companies tried online retailing, but none of them could match the speed of Amazon, and so Amazon slowly won out over all of them. MySpace lost to Facebook, partly by not matching what became popular features on Facebook, such as "The Wall". And…

MySpace lost to Facebook, partly by not matching what became popular features on Facebook, such as "The Wall" That is a gross over simplification of why MySpace lost to facebook. One of the main reasons I think MySpace lost was that they never seemed to have a grand vision like Zuck and fb seemed to have developed around '06-07. Not to mention, MySpace was an offshoot of a super shady marketing company, not a technol…

Facebook was about real life, myspace was about the internet. Facebook was about statuses, groups, uni life, wall to wall convos and organising your life. It's where I heard about climbing club trips, or socials, or that someone in halls was watching top gear on their tv and the price of entry was 1 slice of pizza ordered.

Then of course there was the user experience. Facebook was plain, simple, uniform and quick. Myspace...

    -Click on myspace page
    -Wait 10 secs for background to load
    -Really loud obnoxious music is playing
    -Animated page background starts going
    -Quizzes load
    -A wild photograph appears
    -You can see an embedded youtube now - hit pause
    -It wasn't the goddamned youtube making the noise, now you've got two things running you idiot
    -Try and pause the youtube again
    -page freezes
    -audio player loads
    -manage to stop everything playing
    -have epileptic fit from background
    -forget why you came here anyway

Re: Ask HN: Examples of startups that failed due to moving slowly?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Delicious was a different product from Digg or Reddit, so that doesn't make sense.

And Digg lost for several reasons, but one of them wasn't that it moved too slow. More the opposite, really. They released a buggy version too soon, when the users were already angry and considering leaving.

Yup. Digg should be the poster child for why "move fast and break things" isn't always the best of ideas.

Re: Ask HN: Examples of startups that failed due to moving slowly?

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I am aware of multiple companies that died because they were forced to "grow too fast", rather than growing slow. One was a search engine ahead of google in its category that would have been an ideal google acquisition target (in fact, google is still doing a poor job in their area of search.) Another was a company that invented a key gaming technology, but was ahead of the market by a couple years. In both cases the…

10 out of 10 VCs would take the six year $1 billion acquisition over the two year $30 million acquisition in fact. Your numbers are way off. It would have to be closer to $500 million in two years, versus $1 billion in six.

When looking at $30 million today with a probability of 1.0 vs $1 billion in six years with a low and unknowable probability, then taking the $30 million today might make sense for the VC, depending on what their books look like.

Re: Ask HN: Examples of startups that failed due to moving slowly?

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Digg, Delicious, Mixx - lost to reddit Plaxo - lost to LinkedIn Bebo - social media space became too crowded Geocities - died of natural causes Netscape - slow to adopt after v3

Delicious was a different product from Digg or Reddit, so that doesn't make sense.

And Delicious still limps on. I still use it for bookmark management (read: bookmark stuff I'll probably never read again).
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