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Re: Ask HN: Does HTML5 excite you? Why or why not?

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Post by henriklied »

walesmd wrote: post #14

Both. Nope. It just bloats what we already have in xHTML 1.1. Sure, I can throw a header or section tag around a block, but I still have to use divs. It's just another level I need to indent at this point in time.

Sorry, which new features do you imagine available in XHTML 1.1 that aren't there in HTML 4.01?

Let me help you count: Zero.

HTML5 is very little about e.g. the HEADER element, and much more about the underlying support for other features, such as geolocation, native sound and video, crossdomain XMLHTTPRequest, offline support and (yes,) much more.

Re: Ask HN: Does HTML5 excite you? Why or why not?

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Post by elliottkember »

brlewis wrote: post #24
DougBTX wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless new features are added to CSS, I suspect and will behave exactly like s do today.

Right now a CSS file for one site won't work for another. With HTML5, sometimes it will. I find that a little exciting. Imagine portable themes.

Sure, that's exciting. But imagine designers not having to test in every browser for rendering bugs. Imagine testing in one browser and being sure it was going to work for everybody, just as fast, and look just as good. I think it'd be a huge, huge step forward. After that, HTML5 all the way!

Re: Ask HN: Does HTML5 excite you? Why or why not?

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

simonw wrote: post #39
sixpoint8 wrote: post #22

Front End developer and graphic designer (xHTML/CSS/Design) HTML5 makes me cry inside, part of me died when HTML5 gained browser support. To me, HTML5 is all about GIT'R'DONE; it's an evolution, an odd growth on the body of HTML4, rather than setting a newer, better foundation. :(

Did you ever actually try running a site using proper XHTML? I ran my blog like that (serving the correct content type to non-IE browsers) for a few years and found it to be a ton of hassle for absolutely no benefit.

I doubt the situation will improve by introducing yet another incompatible pointy bracket syntax.

Re: Ask HN: Does HTML5 excite you? Why or why not?

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Post by elliottkember »

Developer here - it definitely excites me. But I'd much rather see full, compatible CSS2.1 support first - and then CSS3!

I just can't help but think that this will fragment things a little bit further. I hope it won't, but I don't know whether we can expect all browsers to implement HTML5 at the same time.

Re: Ask HN: Does HTML5 excite you? Why or why not?

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

I'm excited about many of the new features. However, the move away from XML syntax is a disastrous and utterly pointless decision.

Also, I wish they had taken the opportunity to rid the world of the massive failure that is CSS and replace it with a layout system that makes simple things simple.

Re: Ask HN: Does HTML5 excite you? Why or why not?

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Post by prodigal_erik »

Programmer here. HTML 5 is dominated by scripting, which I think we will regret. Marked up data is easily manipulated and repurposed, but arbitrary code has very few uses other than executing it, which is mostly why script-heavy documents tend to be trainwrecks in accessibility and search.

And I desperately hope there's going to be a more usable and declarative schema for HTML 5 than "anything is valid if you carry out this long parsing procedure and it says it's valid".

Re: Ask HN: Does HTML5 excite you? Why or why not?

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Post by frank06 »

earl wrote: post #2

Programmer. It doesn't excite me in the least because, since I can't afford to alienate big chunks of my audience, it might have enough penetration to use in, oh, 3-5 years? Meh.

Year 1993: Does e-mail excite you? No, it doesn't excite me in the least, since I can't afford to alienate all fax and telex users.

Re: Ask HN: Does HTML5 excite you? Why or why not?

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Post by rimantas »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #46

I'm excited about many of the new features. However, the move away from XML syntax is a disastrous and utterly pointless decision. Also, I wish they had taken the opportunity to rid the world of the massive failure that is CSS and replace it with a layout system that makes simple things simple.

1) Nobody moved away from XML syntax. You can still use it if you want. 2) In most cases XML syntax is pointelss. 3) HTML5 has nothing to do with CSS, and CSS is doing fine, far from being "massive failure".
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