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Ask HN: How can I stop being jealous of people who succeed before me?

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Re: Ask HN: How can I stop being jealous of people who succeed before me?

#41
The grass is always greener.

Whatever you have, someone else has a better version of it. Whatever you have, someone else would kill to have it themselves.

The only way to step outside of the cycle is to start comparing yourself to yourself. Whatever it is that you do, be better at it. Be the best at it. Don't focus on improving, focus on straight up dominating. It's counter intuitive, but the best way to get to the next level is to acknowledge that you aren't very good right now. It's difficult, most successful people refuse to admit any kind of fault or regret. That's fine for the merely successful. But you should be trying to become godlike. When you aspire to that level, how much money other people raise or how often they appear in the press won't matter to you any more than the business of ants on the ground. If you want to transcend envy[0], you must transcend yourself and your current level of ambition.

It doesn't matter what anyone else is doing, or what people think of them. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks of you. Show the world something wonderful and amazing, do things that people didn't think were possible. Solve a real problem for millions of people, or just impress yourself with how cool what you've made is. Do whatever is necessary to make your name shine, whatever the cost. Everything else will take care of itself.

[0] pedantry: "envy" is the desire for what others have, "jealousy" is the fear that someone else will take what you have.

Re: Ask HN: How can I stop being jealous of people who succeed before me?

#42
I'd take a look at your standards and ideals and the role they play. I'm willing to bet they are unrealistic, and are the root cause of your envy. You're not concerned with simply doing well for yourself, you have to be number 1! but the problem is there can be only one #1, and its foolish to be unhappy or envious because you are #2, or #300. Stop comparing yourself to others, and start comparing yourself to you from yesterday, or last year.

Re: Ask HN: How can I stop being jealous of people who succeed before me?

#43
Stop looking at others so much and concentrate on your product and you'll have a much easier time of it. All success is relative, it's not so much a yardstick as an 'these were your opportunities and this is what you made of them' thing.

Once you realize that you'll have an easier time of it. And keep in mind that what you see in the press is quite rarely the unvarnished truth. It tends to be a lot more glossy than reality.

Re: Ask HN: How can I stop being jealous of people who succeed before me?

#44
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a point, but your supporting assumptions don't make it. "In the long term things don't matter" doesn't matter unless you're going to be around in the long term to see them matter. Either way, I wholeheartedly disagree with you. "Have fun, do what makes you happy" helps ensure that what you do doesn't even matter now -- never-mind it not mattering later. You are basically saying "since you can't be a god, you…

I'm not sure you disagree with me as much as you think you do. To clarify a bit more: If being a successful entrepreneur is what makes you happy, do that. If raising a fantastic family makes you happy, do that. If tirelessly helping the poor makes you happy, do that. Yes, these things matter in the shortish term. And by "happy" I don't mean a minute-to-minute happiness. All of the things I do that make me happiest in…

I disagree that you should care about your own happiness. Happiness is not a meaningful goal unless you are willing wrap it in nonsensical notions like "actual happiness."

Actual happiness? How is that different from happiness?

My recommendation is to get good at _making decisions_. That way, should happiness be needed, you will be better able to produce it. But if you need something very different, you will be prepared to produce that, too. Happiness is just too myopic and selfish. Good decision-making will often result in happiness, but it's not the sole justification for it. (It will often result in unhappiness, too.)

Talking about long-term entropy isn't a reliable way to make decisions. If we think of 'meaning' as "that which separates signal from noise", you would be saying that -- eventually -- we will be unable to separate them. But we don't live in a reality in which that is the case: we can separate signal and noise right now. So arguing from that point is an argument from fiction. It's kind of like saying "we shouldn't build technology because someone might make the Terminator and everybody will die." Your responsibility is to make the Terminator first and design him so that he gives out hugs and candy. Or whatever else that is good.

I probably sound overly argumentative about this. You have a good point, I'm just trying to dig more deeply into it. I don't think there is a good answer to OP's concern. I would just say "don't worry, just consider your life an experiment," (as is my approach,) but then 'worry' is just part of the experiment. Maybe worrying about it is exactly what he should do. Maybe he shouldn't be happy. Maybe that's the only way to be a better person.

Re: Ask HN: How can I stop being jealous of people who succeed before me?

#45
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a point, but your supporting assumptions don't make it. "In the long term things don't matter" doesn't matter unless you're going to be around in the long term to see them matter. Either way, I wholeheartedly disagree with you. "Have fun, do what makes you happy" helps ensure that what you do doesn't even matter now -- never-mind it not mattering later. You are basically saying "since you can't be a god, you…

I'm not sure you disagree with me as much as you think you do. To clarify a bit more: If being a successful entrepreneur is what makes you happy, do that. If raising a fantastic family makes you happy, do that. If tirelessly helping the poor makes you happy, do that. Yes, these things matter in the shortish term. And by "happy" I don't mean a minute-to-minute happiness. All of the things I do that make me happiest in…

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Re: Ask HN: How can I stop being jealous of people who succeed before me?

#46
Peter Thiel says competition is for losers, and he's not just talking about business strategy. Does Elon Musk waste energy comparing himself to other people? Does Larry Page seem obsessed with outperforming others? Steve Jobs? Mark Zuckerberg? Notice that these people respect and support each other.

Finance, Law, and Politics are more common destinations for people obsessed with finite games[1]. Best school, best firm, corner office, most socially respectable spouse, biggest bonus.

Work is more fulfilling when you wake up every morning focused on creating value for your customers, or finding a larger goal where you can make a contribution. If you focus on defeating others, you're going to be miserable.

My sole practical suggestion: once a week, find a way to help another person succeed. Even something small. You /can/ feel happy when others do well.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finite_and_Infinite_Games

Re: Ask HN: How can I stop being jealous of people who succeed before me?

#47

The grass is always greener. Whatever you have, someone else has a better version of it. Whatever you have, someone else would kill to have it themselves. The only way to step outside of the cycle is to start comparing yourself to yourself. Whatever it is that you do, be better at it. Be the best at it. Don't focus on improving, focus on straight up dominating. It's counter intuitive, but the best way to get to the n…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmx1jpqv3RA

Re: Ask HN: How can I stop being jealous of people who succeed before me?

#48
post #16

I don't think you can completely stop being jealous. Jealousy of other people who have things that you want (or think that you want) is totally normal. To try to deny that is to deny that you are human. I have found personally that the best antidote to jealousy is to accept that I have it 100%, rather than trying to suppress those feelings. The problem is not actually having the feelings of jealousy, but in not being…

Exactly this -- openly acknowledge it, talk about it with close friends, and move on. There are bigger things to accomplish.

Re: Ask HN: How can I stop being jealous of people who succeed before me?

#49
I am by far the least successful person in my "tech" peer group and have struggled with jealousy and depression because of it.

I don't have the answer for you, but a couple things I've done. (A lot of this might not work for you, because I'm not ambitious and I do accept being mediocre)

For my "real" friends (defined as people who would like me even if I were homeless and broke), I focus on what makes us friends: it's not technology or success, it's experiences and time spent hanging out. I emphasize those behaviors and de-emphasize "work" discussions.

For friends who just want to talk about their businesses and successes, I distance myself. It might not be nice, but I have to take care of myself emotionally first, and having my face rubbed in someone else's success doesn't make me feel good.

I also try to befriend (even just as casual acquaintances) people significantly lower on the economic scale. That way when one of my successful friends posts on Facebook about their third tropical vacation in as many months (and my default response is to get upset that I can't afford the time or money for that kind of trip), then I also have another post to read about someone who is struggling to make rent, and that gives me perspective. Really I am in a good place overall, not the best place, not anywhere close to what SV would call "successful", but there's a whole big world out there.

While we all squabble over who has covered more of the top half of Maslow's hierarchy, there are a lot of people still working on the bottom half. It's important to have a few people to put real faces on that to keep me grounded in reality.

Re: Ask HN: How can I stop being jealous of people who succeed before me?

#50
I suggest meditation everyday for some time. During meditation, over a period of time, you will pull all of your thoughts which are currently on different worldly material things back into your mind, remove undesired ones and re-release them towards desired goals. It is like sending car into garage for washing. It is automatic process, which happens during meditation/chanting mantra like "om".

Please note I am not suggesting isolation or moving to forest for meditation ...etc. You can stay where you are but consciously allocate some time for meditation, in a room where you may not be disturbed by others for some time. Please note it is not reflection on past activities of yours or others. During meditation, just forget outside world,time,circumstances and focus on mantra. It helps in bringing mental peace, strength and this will bring change in behaviour, feelings towards others. It takes some time and practice.

Also, please understand, though we are in same place at the same time, our origins,destinations,paths all are different in this journey called life. Once you realized that, you will start some mental search on your destination and its place in this world and focus on your material goals i.e. focus on others will be reduced i.e. qualities like jealousy will be reduced over period of time. Also, during interactions with others, ensure your focus will be on positive things. Our mind is like horse and as rider, we need to preemptively focus on what we want. It won't change on its own to where/how we want to go.

Hope it helps and if you wish, let us know after some time (may be one year) on your progress. There may be many books on meditation also. They may further help.

EDIT: Minor grammar corrections.

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