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Re: Ask HN: What should I do in this situation?

#41
The gas card will pay for gas. It won't pay for wear and tear on your car and the 2 hours (possibly much more, depending on traffic) that you're going to lose every single workday.

Look at it this way: you're trading your time for their money. You're going to increase your job-related time expenditure by 25% or more (if you normally spend 8 hours working), plus incurring car expenses. It's going to take a hefty raise to make up for that.

I agree with several of the others: it's probably time to look for a new job.

Re: Ask HN: What should I do in this situation?

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Patrick (the commenter I'm replying to) happens to have written the best article you'll ever read on the topic: http://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/ It really helps put things into perspective.

Yip, excellent article... I pointed a friend to this while giving him a pep-talk on how much he knew and how much he was worth. Went up ~15-20K from his old position...

Thanks, that made my day.

Re: Ask HN: What should I do in this situation?

#43
post #27

I was in somewhat of a similar position earlier in my career. I was afraid to stand up for myself and ended up meekly accepting my employer's BS about how there wasn't money in the budget for raises, but they liked me so much and valued my work and can I please work just a little more unpaid overtime? I gave away hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of salary for nothing more than a smile and a thank you. And that'…

I totally get it. It's a complete mindset change and those are a little hard to get started. Definitely appreciate the advice.

You're welcome, I hope you find it useful. And just in case it's not obvious, let me point out that what you're getting here is free advice from strangers on the internet. So please don't blindly follow anything here without taking some time to seriously think through the possible outcomes and consequences.

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The first, small, step is to realize that you are the captain of your career. Your boss might care a little bit, but is mostly concerned with his or her own career prospects. Your company is a legal fiction that doesn't care about you at all. If you want your career to be good, you either float along and hope to get lucky, or you take charge of it yourself.

Personally I think you're likely to be ok. Even if you need to make some career choices for long term strategy and taking the short term hit (like accepting a smaller, or 0, increase than you're happy with so you can continue paying your bills while looking for a better job)

If they are already planning to replace you then nothing you do is going to help and you might as well start looking for another job.

If they are NOT planning to replace you, then I believe it's totally reasonable for you to talk to them about level setting your salary to (at least) the high end of what they currently pay plus offsetting your commute costs (gas + wear&tear)...

AND start looking for another job. (Keeping in mind that you are not morally or legally obligated to accept any job offers.)

For negotiating, the most important things to remember are:

- What happens if you cannot find mutual ground with your boss? What are you going to do? Walk out of your job or start commuting for the same salary? Can you live with that until you find a different source of income?

- Your own goals (eg, how much money do you want? What other perks are important to you?)

For money, consider what you would reasonably expect to be paid if you were coming into it with your current level of experience from a different company (assuming no significant commute)

Separately consider how much someone would have to pay you to drive your proposed commute, every day, during rush hour. How much would that need to be feel like it's a worthwhile use of your time?

Summing those numbers gives you an idea of the minimum baseline amount you should aim for. If you can get that much, then you'll be reasonably happy. you should, of course, try to get a higher number than that. DO NOT GIVE THAT NUMBER TO YOUR BOSS

- Your boss's goals. What does he care about? more importantly, what are you in a position to give him that would make him want to make you happy?

The dark side to that, or course, is "what does your boss fear and how can you take advantage of that" though personally I am unwilling to go there.

- What other alternatives do you have RIGHT NOW in your hands? Do you have significant savings? Do you have other sources of income?

Ok... this is getting too long and I'm enjoying the sound of my mental "preaching" voice a little too much. Time to stop opining :)

Good luck! I hope you end up in a happier situation.

Re: Ask HN: What should I do in this situation?

#44
I am speaking from my own experience.

My boss left as a result of corporate incompetence (not his, the company). I will not go into that, but as a very senior and generally well liked person in a very large company, with the ability to bring a lot of work in (100s of jobs per year, approaching 1000s), these were big shoes to fill. He was the greatest manager I'd ever had. He didn't manage, he led.

His role was filled by someone quite new to the organisation. I hated it for months, but 1.5 years later, I liked him a lot.

He needed to show his boss that he could fill the shoes. That meant exceeding expectations. New, out-larged goals, visible checklists for what should be done, regular follow-ups.

But after a few months I realised his vulnerability in still feeling vulnerable. We didn't chat explicitly, and in retrospect we should have, but on a particularly difficult challenge that all thought impossible, we were achieved a big result, and bonded on that.

This was a management role where it easy to hire 'workers' but painfully hard to find people with requisite domain knowledge and demonstrable management experience, in a location it was very hard to get people to relocate (internally) to. If the salary offers you're seeing are higher, it is likely you are in an equally illiquid market. I also never explicitly asked for a raise, but after some time and trust had developed he bumped me up quite a bit.

It may be the case that the new incumbent in the role feels they do not have control. Let them feel they have control: document your work, stick to deadlines, and see each other face-to-face to discuss. They could well feel more vulnerable than you do now, despite a position of authority. Make it a partnership.

Re: Ask HN: What should I do in this situation?

#45
post #44

I am speaking from my own experience. My boss left as a result of corporate incompetence (not his, the company). I will not go into that, but as a very senior and generally well liked person in a very large company, with the ability to bring a lot of work in (100s of jobs per year, approaching 1000s), these were big shoes to fill. He was the greatest manager I'd ever had. He didn't manage, he led. His role was filled…

P.S.

No harm in circulating your CV around headhunters to learn your general market worth.

Re: Ask HN: What should I do in this situation?

#46
Before you pitch the new boss with the idea that you deserve more money and the ability to continue working remote office-- read this book > http://pitchanything.com/book/

There's an attitude and posturing element to this, you're The Prize. He's lucky you're on the team. Not arrogant, but self-assured.

Re: Ask HN: What should I do in this situation?

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a win for your brother in my opinion. That company was probably an awful place to work.

That was our consensus as well.

To be fair from a managers perspective this would act as a good filter, those who are willing to demand negotiation over those who aren't are more likely to want everything they can get in the current market (which is perfectly reasonable). You're more likely to get those who are inexperienced in the job market, or those who are so insecure/timid about their professional lives that they are willing to take what they can get.

Which is great for an employer who doesn't care about his/her workers/

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