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Re: Ask HN: Is setting up a remote team of developers in India worth it?

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Yes, isn't that possible with direct hiring instead of paying more to go through outsourcing firms? My understanding is that roughly $500 monthly puts an Indian in the middle class. Double that and I figure we would be really attractive to young, entry level programmers.

You're not in middle class if you need your month's wage to buy a smartphone.

You'd be wrong there. Middle class in India starts at less than a decent smart phone's cost.

Re: Ask HN: Is setting up a remote team of developers in India worth it?

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Assuming you aren't trolling: No, absolutely not. My experience, at two companies, is that what you save in development costs, you quickly pay for (and then some) in management overhead, and low code quality. Some of the code we got was simply not salvageable. (And of course, it consumed time on our side to review the code, reach this conclusion, and document the suckage.) If outsourcing has any chance of working it…

Your experience closely mirrors mine in that contracting out the work will cost you more overall. It's in the contracting company's interest to misinterpret specifications so long as they can bill more (you can't irritate the client too much or they'll quit). On the other hand, it's nothing like the way government contractors in the US overcharge the American public.

At one point, we also had a division of our company set-up in India, and when staffed carefully, they became remote members of the team (just like other remote workers). The only downside to this arrangement was that it was hard to keep qualified employees as (at the time), you could change jobs twice a year for a 20% bump each time.

Re: Ask HN: Is setting up a remote team of developers in India worth it?

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I am original from India (now in New York), and I have hired over 40 developers, designers and marketers in New Delhi over the past few years. You can hire good developers in India for $1,000 to $2,000 per month. It is viable to hire team in India, but hiring and managing them remotely is a nightmare. Remote teams in India are unreliable and not committed. In India, you need hustle with your team to get shit done. Th…

Thanks for the tip! Isn't $1-2k per month pretty high for direct pay? My estimate for starting salaries was substantially lower.

My comment above goes into more detail but if you want the best Indian software engineers, you need to pay them more than another company would (just like in any other free market in the world). This is a constantly moving target.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, isn't that possible with direct hiring instead of paying more to go through outsourcing firms? My understanding is that roughly $500 monthly puts an Indian in the middle class. Double that and I figure we would be really attractive to young, entry level programmers.

You're not in middle class if you need your month's wage to buy a smartphone.

Maybe not in America but India's different and remember, smart phones made in third world countries have different markups since manufacturing is cheap and nearby.

Re: Ask HN: Is setting up a remote team of developers in India worth it?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not in middle class if you need your month's wage to buy a smartphone.

Maybe not in America but India's different and remember, smart phones made in third world countries have different markups since manufacturing is cheap and nearby.

Smartphones and other electronics are more expensive in India, almost twice of US prices.
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