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Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

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Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#41

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Because I don't want my life to be training data for some stupid LLM so that you can try to become to the next tech oligarch.

Would it make a difference if the data were only stored locally on your device?

If that is verifiable by the stack being libre software then perhaps.

Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#44

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It might, depending on how you intend to anonymize the data, and whether you intend to market that data to other companies.

The core idea is that the AI runs locally on the device, and all data is stored on the device. Therefore, no data will be shared or sold to other companies. Regarding anonymization --> do you mean, what if I pointed the camera at someone else? That would be filtered out.

Oh, so you'll peep on everything we do, but don't worry, only you and your team will be able to be the voyeurs. lol, lmao even. Do you ppl even hear yourselves talk?

Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might, depending on how you intend to anonymize the data, and whether you intend to market that data to other companies.

The core idea is that the AI runs locally on the device, and all data is stored on the device. Therefore, no data will be shared or sold to other companies. Regarding anonymization --> do you mean, what if I pointed the camera at someone else? That would be filtered out.

>what if I pointed the camera at someone else? That would be filtered out

I'm no expert at this but that sounds a lot harder to implement than you're implying, especially if it's all locally stored and not checked over by a 3rd party. What's to stop me from just doing it anyway?

Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

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Long answer: fuck no. Not even if it was free. Not even if it was libre software.

So even if it were open source, that wouldn’t be a reason for you to trust it? Just curious: what would have to change for you to even consider it? Is it more about the concept itself, or the way it's implemented?

Build a POC for yourself and use it. Go from there.

Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#47

The invasion of privacy is the obvious problem. But it isn't going to be functionally very useful to me either. You're going to capture hours of walking and/or seemingly doing nothing, exchanging pleasantries/small-talk/banter. Without access to my thoughts, this is stuck in some superficial layer -- useless other than to maybe surface a reminder of something trivial that I forgot (and that's not worth it). Life happ…

Just to clarify, the “reminder” example was just one possible use case. The idea isn’t to capture everything or pretend to read thoughts, but to offer flexible support based on context you control. Curious though: if there were a way for an AI to understand your thoughts, would that even be something you’d want? Or is the whole concept off-limits for you?

Understood!

It's an interesting question -- I've thought about it a lot in the context of some hypothetical brain interface. There are a lot of unknowns but I personally would go for it with the very hard constraint that it be the equivalent of read-only (no agents here) and local (no cloud).

As potentially scary as it seems, I would not be able to fight the temptation to participate under those conditions. It would make elusive thought a thing of the past.

Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#48

Yes, I would trust this 100%.

Is there anything you’re thinking about where this might be useful for you?

No.

I think that there is some limit to how much additional information is useful to the AI tools that I use. I don’t know where that limit is and I also think that models are getting better all the time, so storing the data now for later use might be useful.

I have no idea how much it would cost to store/analyze 14-18 hours of data a day? I’m assuming that it could be post-processed and delete the useless stuff?

Obviously I understand the privacy-zealots issues with this technology. But I’m going to be dead in a couple decades and this idea sounds interesting to me. To me, whatever risk there is would be worth the unknown reward.

Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#49
Consider a world where a sizeable fraction of the population has and uses such a device, such that its presence is assumed and ultimately mandated by authoritarian law enforcement entities, surveillance capitalist firms, and so on. Can you imagine the inescapable nightmare this would become even with the norms of today? Do you really want to offer fuzzy recall of two of five senses to "legitimate legal process", rapacious marketers, or anyone else who somehow gains access to these data?

Personally I would consider it a moral imperative to refuse to use such a device and to avoid anyone who does otherwise.

So no, please don't create such a thing. Stop now.

Re: Ask HN: Would you trust an AI that sees and hears everything you do?

#50

Sounds like Jeff Duntmann's "jiminy", which he wrote about in PC Techniques magazine back in 1992. A matchbox-sized general purpose computer and life log, infrared connections to peripherals as needed, with a mesh network to other jiminies and the internet-at-large. Jeff didn't use the term "AI", but that would describe how it worked. http://www.duntemann.com/End14.htm Elon Musk's portable-Grok-thing is a long step t…

Really interesting link to "Jiminy", I hadn’t heard of that before. Also didn’t know Musk was planning something similar, but I think it’s more of a phone than a wearable?
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