> The CEO & CTO are both obsessed with it and promote things like "delete entire unit test file & have claude generate a new one" rather than manually address test failures.
So what are the tests actually for then?
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#42This AI nonsense has infected every company and everybody is an "AI expert". You can't escape it and you'll be at a competitive disadvantage at another employer when starting from scratch. The thing about this AI fad is that nobody has really figured out where the real utility is to be gained and how to reduce costs from that.
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#43I'm basically retired now and I'm really glad about the timing - I would not want to be in this field if I were in my 30s, 40s or 50s the way things are going. I think what's happening at your company is happening in lots of companies right now so I don't think you'll be able to jump ship and end up somewhere else where it's not happening. You can hope for a backlash - and it might come. In the meantime, go ahead and vibecode being careful about the areas you do it in - they seem pretty good at coming up with testcases, for example. Maybe don't let your coding agent have full editing permissions. Have it give you suggestions for what it would do in the code and evaluate them closely before letting the edits happen (pushing back when needed).
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#44I'm a senior engineer with 20+ (oof) years of industry experience. I appreciate that this sucks and you don't want to do it. I wouldn't either. That said, it's a hirer's market out there right now. There will be plenty of people who will be happy to take your position while you're looking for something you prefer. My opinion is that we're going to have about 5 years of this. Managers and C-suite folks are going to do…
I feel I'm sort of stuck in the opposite situation of OP. I manage a few massive codebases that I simply cannot trust an AI to go mucking around with. The only type of serious AI coding experience I could get at this point would be to branch one of these and start experimenting on my own dime to see how good or bad the actual experience is. And that doesn't really seem worth it, because I know what I want to do with them (what's on the feature list that I'm being paid to develop)... and it feels like it would take more time to talk to an LLM and get it perfectly dialed in on any given feature, and ensure it was correct, than it would take to write it myself. And I'm not getting paid for it.
I feel like I'd never use Claude seriously unless someone demanded I used it from day one on a greenfield project. And so while I get to keep evolving my coding skills, I'm a little worried that my "AI skills" will lag behind.
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#4525 years of experience here. AI is the real deal, and it should be the primary way you’re coding now. Everyone who doesn’t embrace it is about to become a dinosaur overnight.
They’re going to pay you to learn to work with the thing you need to learn to work with anyway? Be smart. Take the deal.
That said, it’s a free country, you can quit any time for any reason.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a moral stance. But AI isn't as bad as say, biological weapons. It's closer to piracy. So it's like I've never used a gun. Which isn't really a strong point. At the very least, even if you don't plan to use guns, you'd know how guns work and where they don't.
I can understand the stance, I'm just saying that it's not something that I would ever describe as "marketable". No one is saying "I've never used a gun" or "I've never pirated a movie" on their resume to market their morals. Resumes are to market the skills you have that match the job you're applying for, not for marketing your moral stance.
A while ago I had to hire people who'd never used Flash (and therefore agreed to the EULA of Flash Player) for a project.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can understand the stance, I'm just saying that it's not something that I would ever describe as "marketable". No one is saying "I've never used a gun" or "I've never pirated a movie" on their resume to market their morals. Resumes are to market the skills you have that match the job you're applying for, not for marketing your moral stance.
A while ago I had to hire people who'd never used Flash (and therefore agreed to the EULA of Flash Player) for a project.
That's certainly interesting!
But I doubt those people put "never used Flash" on their general resume (or literally any other resume except the one tailored to that position, if they even put it on the resume instead of their cover letter). I also doubt they thought of it as a "marketable skill" considering it was applicable to ~1 job.
In any case, this seems like an incredibly niche situation that probably has no business being extrapolated to all AI tools.
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#48I’ve been doing this for 20 years. I see it as you having two primary options. You should stay there, learn the new tech, and see what happens. If it works better than you expected, then your mind will be changed and you’ll be well positioned for the new economy. If it turns out how you expect, now you have experience working with this tooling to inform your positions at your next company. Either way, a few months in…
All of the above +
Start looking for a new role that is better aligned with your expectations. You may find it harder than you expect. In which case, you might be glad you didn't burn your bridges in a pique over AI mandates by the CEO & CTO.
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#49No. Good luck.
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Re: Ask HN: Worth leaving position over push to adopt vibe coding?
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
A while ago I had to hire people who'd never used Flash (and therefore agreed to the EULA of Flash Player) for a project.
That's certainly interesting! But I doubt those people put "never used Flash" on their general resume (or literally any other resume except the one tailored to that position, if they even put it on the resume instead of their cover letter). I also doubt they thought of it as a "marketable skill" considering it was applicable to ~1 job. In any case, this seems like an incredibly niche situation that probably has no bu…
There are plenty of cleanroom-type jobs for developers, they just might not always be the sexy big companies offering them.