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Ask HN: My CEO wants to go hard on AI. What do I do?

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Re: Ask HN: My CEO wants to go hard on AI. What do I do?

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Unless you own the business, you work for your investors. If investors only want AI, then you will either be forced to do that (whatever it means), do something else but make it look to them like AI, convince them they're wrong, or quit. Things are a little more nuanced if your existing investors side with you but all new investors are AI-driven. Then you don't have to quit, but you do have to run the business withou…

At a smart business, you work for your customers. If you're at a company that works for your investors, you're going to have this problem over and over again. In fact, you might as well give up on the idea of planning and decision making based on what would be best for the product and your customers.

> At a smart business, you work for your customers.

Well, then you're bound to the amount of money customers can give you.

It's usually less than a VC partner with a god complex can give you.

Re: Ask HN: My CEO wants to go hard on AI. What do I do?

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Trends come and go: What's important is that your CEO isn't underinvesting in the product. I once was in a company during the "everyone is going to replace their laptops with tablets next year era." The CEO pushed heavily for mobile, and underinvested in the actual product. A year later, all of our customers were still using their laptops. We were sold to a private equity firm, the CEO was pushed out, and (almost) ev…

I imagine there are a lot of stories like that from the "everything needs to be a mobile app" era. So many companies invested vast engineering resources in building out iOS/Android apps only to later find that their users only interact with their tool once every few weeks, which wasn't often enough for them to earn a place in that relatively tiny list of a few dozen apps that any one individual actually uses. For man…

In our case, it turns out people preferred using spreadsheets and word processors on a laptop instead of a tablet.

Seemed kinda obvious at the time; but that probably explains why the leadership was forced out.

Re: Ask HN: My CEO wants to go hard on AI. What do I do?

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From what I've seen, anyone giving you definitive answers is blowing smoke. I've seen teams go for AI, do it well, and succeed. I've also seen teams go for AI, f it up, and all get fired as the company shuts down. The question is whether the key value of your product can benefit from the strengths of AI? If not, don't go there. If so, you then need to determine if your team can actually deliver an AI-driven vision th…

I came here to write this exact response.

Folks work in mission driven organizations. In organizations that are optimizing for dollars you see quality fall by the wayside.

Mission driven organizations that understand the levers of capital are the most enjoyable workplaces of my career.

You want a CEO who is customer obsessed, not a CEO who is maximizing for dollars in the bank at all costs.

It has to be mission first for a startup to be great, really for any critical endeavor.

Re: Ask HN: My CEO wants to go hard on AI. What do I do?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it really scamming VCs, if they're the loudest cheerleaders for AI?

I mean yeah but in a way it's kinda like a legalised pyramid scheme

And we wonder why the tech industry has lost the trust of the public.

Where could it have gone?

Re: Ask HN: My CEO wants to go hard on AI. What do I do?

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It seems that another round is necessary, and VCs want AI. You and the CEO are competent and transparent. This is the premises.

You just need to have the conversation with the CEO, but in the right order.

Come to him/her with objective data, but without your conclusions or concerns, just your observations about where this is headed and if he sees at what rate this AI focus is eating ressources. Ask the CEO what it means for the company. Let him/her do the talking.

From this point, the CEO have the data and you have the company policy. Know you can talk on equal grounds on the matter with him or her. Good luck.

Re: Ask HN: My CEO wants to go hard on AI. What do I do?

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This is where you need multiple levels of management so that you can create a different reality for the investors than for the engineers and then just chalk it up to “communication difficulties”.

The CEO needs to tell the investors that the company is all-in on AI. At the same time, the CEO needs to tell the engineers to use AI judiciously to support real customer needs, but not go hog-wild with it where it doesn’t make sense. This sort of situation, where you need to tell one group one set of facts to get them to act but another group a different set of facts, is fairly common in business (and politics).

The way big corporations handle this is to have many layers of management and a very diffuse set of responsibilities so that nobody is outright “lying”, they’re just interpreting what they’ve been told in a way that makes sense relative to their job responsibilities. The way startups handle it is to lie and hope that by the time they get caught, their results speak for themselves.

Re: Ask HN: My CEO wants to go hard on AI. What do I do?

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It seems like it's worth taking some time to steel-man the AI argument, even if your CEO hasn't made it very well. E.g. If you don't work on AI now, and AI models keep improving, how likely is it that a competitor who integrates AI well will eat your lunch? If it's >50%, it seems worth it to shift some focus to AI regardless of the series C round. This post from a few days ago has some great tips on how to integrate…

This approach looks to me like a classic mistake of assuming all your potential paying users both are and want to be (these are different things!) power users. Similarly it might be suffering from the problem of living on the cutting edge and assuming everyone else is too.

I like the post and what it goes over. I agree with huge swaths of it, especially the misuse of ai tools right now. I don't agree that anyone doing it that way (like the gmail team called out over and over here) is either stupid or naive. I don't agree every consumer tool should become an agent building playground. I don't agree building said playgrounds are easy (I think it's much much harder to design a good agent building version of a product than a good product). I don't agree consumers want everything they use to work this way. I also think it ignores the very real problem of ai bullshitting and the handcuffs that puts on people using it for mission critical things like paying the mortgage.

Ironically I think this post falls into its own trap of not thinking about the next step. Yeah a really good email agent product as demod sounds great in a world where nothing works this way yet. However, a world where every product I use has to be re-engineered from scratch, with various unknown and non-customizable (and enshittifying) LLMs under it, with various training and fine tuning, unknown access to data, and no interop is the wood-frame horseless carriage the author is mocking. That would be a terrible situation worse than the current one.

Rethinking for a world of ai agents, it would be better if products empowered consumer agents instead of tried to supplant them. In THAT world products stay simple and just expose a bunch of tools and patterns that each consumer's custom agents can effectively use. Making that work well for your own product is actually viable AND helpful AND doesn't force your users to change their behavior if they don't want to. Anything I, the consumer, do to handle or prompt my own agent pays off across my entire ecosystem and investment can be focused on the right things by the right people (ie gmail should make email tools not agent tools).

Re: Ask HN: My CEO wants to go hard on AI. What do I do?

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Relevant anecdote from Bill Gurley's talk: https://youtu.be/7PkWc-IDTHk?si=p8AUBHqXa76HuA6A&t=3228 "If the the average CIO is committing 10 or 15% of their budget to AI. If you're not in that you're getting shrunk."

That's a good point. Lots of software companies are trying to become AI companies, not because they believe they are truly AI, but because CIOs are willing to invest in AI, so everything must become something that can fit in that budget.

This will crash in 1-2 years as CIOs realize most of this is useless, because at that point all software will be "AI Software" according to the marketing department, and we'll reset to CIOs making decisions on some other metric, such as a guy they met at a conference.

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