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Re: Ask HN: Are Squarespace and Wix sites worth it?

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I frequently recommend Wix to freelance clients who just need a basic site. Once they set it up, it basically keeps going for years and years, which is not true of most other stacks, including Wordpress. It's an easy service from a single vendor, so no need to deal with different hosting/CDN/SSL/etc providers. I think it's a wonderful thing for clients with simpler needs. The benefit for clients is that they can pay…

If you want something that just works for years and years, static sites are fantastic for that. Hugo is what I use for my astrophotography blog and it's blazing fast and...well...static

I used to run my personal website on Hugo but after a few years I wanted to upgrade the Hugo version and was suddenly out in the cold - there was no real path to upgrade, everything only works together once and as soon as I started upgrading, there was mismatch between the generator, the theme, and whatever widgets I used.

Moved to wordpress.com since that. No more worry about keeping things working, I can focus on the content. Admittedly, the horrible load times of wordpress.com sites are causing me to look at alternatives - waiting 5 seconds for the homepage to show up is not really acceptable.

I wish someone made a hosted version of a static site generator - they maintain the compatibility between individual components, provide some online editor for content, but the output is just a bunch of static files generated from this. Have not found one so far but if you know one, please drop a line!

Re: Ask HN: Are Squarespace and Wix sites worth it?

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Mongo in (British? West country which happens to retain relatively more Saxonism and other Germanic influence?) English too actually, or more often 'mong', but it's not prevalent enough that I've made the link before.

In German it's the only possible meaning, unfortunately... ("Mongo" is short for "mongoloid")

I'm not aware of any other meaning in English either.

Re: Ask HN: Are Squarespace and Wix sites worth it?

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If you want something that just works for years and years, static sites are fantastic for that. Hugo is what I use for my astrophotography blog and it's blazing fast and...well...static

I used to run my personal website on Hugo but after a few years I wanted to upgrade the Hugo version and was suddenly out in the cold - there was no real path to upgrade, everything only works together once and as soon as I started upgrading, there was mismatch between the generator, the theme, and whatever widgets I used. Moved to wordpress.com since that. No more worry about keeping things working, I can focus on t…

> Admittedly, the horrible load times of wordpress.com sites are causing me to look at alternatives - waiting 5 seconds for the homepage to show up is not really acceptable.

It shouldn't be that slow. Did you enable Jetpack caching and such?

WordPress sites can be lightning fast if cached well. I forget what the WordPress.com options are, but if you host on Pantheon, Wpengine or similar, it can be very very fast.

You can also self-host on Cloudways (managed WordPress containers), now owned by DigitalOcean, or use Gridpane to deploy it to any VPS with a dashboard.

> I wish someone made a hosted version of a static site generator - they maintain the compatibility between individual components, provide some online editor for content, but the output is just a bunch of static files

(Disclaimer: I work for one) Headless CMSes can often do this, but usually you have to bring your own frontend. Astro makes this setup pretty easy to maintain (it all works together and is maintained by a single vendor). Of course Next would work too but it's much more complicated. You'd still have to manage the frontend though :(

There might be a static generation plug in for WordPress too. I can't remember exactly.

Re: Ask HN: Are Squarespace and Wix sites worth it?

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It's extremely expensive. At $17 or $21 a month which works out to $250 a year you could go to a million other places. For $5 dollars a month wordpress will include a domain and 6 gigs. Hostinger is $2.99 with domain. Wix doesn't let you move your files.

> Wix doesn't let you move your files. That's skeezy behaviour on Wix's part. BUT hope you're not using your web host as the only copy of "your files". You should never _need_ to "move your files" away from Wix.

Well, Wix isn't really file-based (to the user's eye). They're probably just a bunch of entries in a database. It's more that Wix doesn't offer any sort of easy export to a standard format.

Editing in Wix is kinda like Dreamweaver was in the old days, a bunch of WYSIWYG widgets and building blocks you drag around on a virtual canvas.

If they wanted to, they could probably offer a static HTML export of the rendered pages, but as far as I know, they don't.

Re: Ask HN: Are Squarespace and Wix sites worth it?

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It's not about what I (as a web dev) need, but what works for "halp, I need a website" clients who don't know anything about tech. Hugo still implies the need for a build setup and hosting, which in turn means DNS, SSL, CLI, etc. Which often means more dev time. Your average yoga teacher or restaurant or nonprofit would have no idea how to deal with all that (and they shouldn't have to). That's why the page builders…

I recently moved two sites from GoDaddy's predatory WordPress offering (they were charging $1k a year just for some security add-on) to use Hugo + DecapCMS + AWS Amplify. Decap is a fantastic "good enough" CMS to do anything clients of this size need, the only downside is it takes about 1 minute to deploy any changes. Amplify let's you lock a version of Hugo to use, or bring your own, and it will build and deploy you…

I mean, yes, that sort of setup is less fragile than someone's clobbered-together homebrewed site, but it still requires a dev to maintain. What happens to your client's site if you or they can't maintain the dev-client relationship anymore, for any reason? They'd have to find another dev willing to take over that setup from you.

That sort of thing sounds great for an agency managing multiple sites running off the same template and framework, but for freelancers, it's still too bespoke to be easily portable between clients, hosts, and other freelancers. If someone came to me with a stack like that (and they have), I'd offer to help them migrate it to a more standard setup like Wordpress or Wix for a one-time cost, after which they would pay the vendor directly. But otherwise I wouldn't want to be responsible for maintaining it, especially for just one or two clients.

It's just way too much setup and maintenance. The AWS setup time would itself cost (in dev hours) a month or two's worth of hosting, and Hugo updates or DecapCMS changes would take even more time. Even if the costs to me were $6 a year, the dev hours required to keep a site like that going would far surpass what it would cost them to just pay $20 a month for a vendor-hosted + managed system.

It also introduces multiple points of failure, and if I were hit by a bus or something went wrong while I was on vacation, they'd have no idea if they need to talk to their web host, their CDN, AWS, DecapCMS, Github, or me... they probably don't need to talk to me at all (nothing I can do about any of those services if they have an outage), but they will have no support outside of me.

I don't have anything against self-hosted setups like that for the right audience — I have many such ones myself — but I think they're way more trouble than they're worth for clients who aren't already web-savvy.

I work for another headless CMS (not Decap) and I frequently have to try to help customers who inherited an old site from another agency who didn't properly explain what a headless system is, and they get really frustrated because they end up having to pay a few hundred dollars to a third-party dev just to add a new article category or whatever. It's the kind of thing that would take them ten minutes on Wix/Squarespace/Wordpress, but requires a dev for a stack like you're recommending, and it'd take anywhere from a few minutes (if it's a common stack, like Next/Astro + Vercel) to several hours/days (anything more than 2-3 years old, especially). That will far, far exceed the time and money it takes to host for several years on any of the standard consumer platforms.

For some of these sites, even the original developer who first made them for the first owner didn't want to take them on again — they knew how much work it would be to update them to a usable state again (but that's usually more Gatsby than Hugo).

I'd be very, very wary of recommending such a stack to anyone who is not working with an agency or is already themselves a developer.

Re: Ask HN: Are Squarespace and Wix sites worth it?

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I have a guy doing some construction work for me right now and when he found out I write software he asked if I could help him out with a website. "Ehh I don't really do that kind of software..." If I was to give this guy a simple marketing site, that he can take to go host on his own, that I can hopefully vibe-code into existence, what should I use? I mean, I know how to do this stuff, but handing him a node package…

You really shouldn't. Help him set up a Squarespace/Wix/Wordpress or similar that you don't have to maintain.

Anything you code, manually or vibe-ly, is going to become a pile of unmaintainable garbage in a year or two and either you're going to have to help him fix it then or he's going to have to pay hundreds for someone else to do it for him (if he can find anyone).

Please believe me when I say I've wasted way too many years of my youth trying to hack together things like that for clients. That way lies madness. Don't let yourself go down that path. It's not a good use of time and money for you or your client.

Re: Ask HN: Are Squarespace and Wix sites worth it?

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Did this topic get resurrected and then re-timestamped somehow? The timestamps say many of the comments were posted 16 hours ago, but I definitely posted these way longer ago (like 3 days ago, I think). There's also a lot more voting activity now and possibly some green-name astroturfing.

I know HN has a "second-chance pool" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26998308), but I didn't know it would artificially change the timestamps too...

Re: Ask HN: Are Squarespace and Wix sites worth it?

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Did this topic get resurrected and then re-timestamped somehow? The timestamps say many of the comments were posted 16 hours ago, but I definitely posted these way longer ago (like 3 days ago, I think). There's also a lot more voting activity now and possibly some green-name astroturfing. I know HN has a "second-chance pool" ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26998308 ), but I didn't know it would artificially ch…

Late response but as of this moment I see all comments with a "7 days ago" stamp. Not sure what you were seeing, but anyhow, thanks for your contributions to the thread.
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