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Ask HN: How do I escape homelessness after rebuilding my mental health?

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Re: Ask HN: How do I escape homelessness after rebuilding my mental health?

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You can work from a local library. Do you have anyone you can lean on? Cousin? Uncle? Anyone? Just a little financial support could go a long way. Do you have any programming experience? Instead of making school a priority, I would try to get an actual job. Non-tech can be stupid simple, the pay can be decent, definitely better than Uber. Plus, you will have a space to work and a work machine.(this can be a bit hard…

I've got 10 years experience with laravel, lots of PHP, JavaScript, vue, react, MySQL, Python etc...i just don't have a computer unless I can find a place to set up my desktop... that's my biggest hurdle.

I'd trade down that desktop into an old Thinkpad circa T430 era, which you can get for less than $150 and slap Debian onto. If you need more processor for something, rent it from the cloud and work through ssh (or set up a VPN.)

With that, a cellphone, and wifi, you actually can work from your car. Certainly from a coffee shop.

Re: Ask HN: How do I escape homelessness after rebuilding my mental health?

#42

> Through therapy, ketamine treatment, and building my own AI-assisted mental health tools Those do not sound like a pathway to mental health. > staying in cheap motels when I can afford it. From what you've said you clearly can't afford it. > What would YOU do in my situation to break the cycle? Get a regular job. It's going to feel like a giant step backwards, but, this is what you need right now. You need to stabi…

> Those do not sound like a pathway to mental health. If you don’t consider therapy a pathway to mental health I’m not sure what could be

There is no "mental health", other than in the eye of the introspector. What exists in objective reality, is the successful or unsuccessful performing of the assigned social role.

When you fail to fulfill your role, or when you consciously reject it, or when society simply has no role to offer you, the world around you begins to fall apart, and you find your mind adapting to the raw, unfiltered, unconditioned chaos that surrounds you in every unpredictable moment.

It's called madness. It's a natural response that a human has to the falling away of social bonds. One would like to believe that pre-industrial, non-totalizing societies knew a thing or two about the workings of that particular stable configuration of the human mind, and what role it can be made to fulfill in the collective "organism" of the community.

Our society, on the other hand, well... it simply blames you for being a "no good" person, and puts all the responsibility on you while robbing you of all power to resolve your situation. Because it's better that way - for everyone else, but you, the very person whose fault it most certainly isn't. Which is, fundamentally, unjust. But what can one do - we're all taught in childhood that "life's not fair", so that's exactly the kind of life we end up setting up for each other.

(FWIW, of those three "pathways", the only one I've personally witnessed to accomplish anything at all is the one that's the least socially accepted. We do remain, after all, subject to the pressures of natural selection. Sapienti sat.)

Re: Ask HN: How do I escape homelessness after rebuilding my mental health?

#43
1. Give up dream of tech. 2. Call local tech schools and ask about rapid certifications and sponsorship programs like Kentucky has for CDL training doe people experiencing privation 3. Live on student loans working toward a licensable occupation in which graduate degrees benefit you, such as social work, nursing, teaching, paralegal 4. Live on loans either in a dorm or get the cheapest studio apartment around. 5. You can't eat pride, just get a long term plan for a room and burgers on demand.

6.GIVE UP YOUR FANTASY OF TECH. A bachelors in IT is worthless. They don't even care about certs anymore after the DEI culture shift. They destroyed the lower levels to hand take the future from Americans and give it to Indians. There is no way to build up the initial skills sets because the number in the top of the pyramid is declining. It will take years to rebel against Microsoft's attempt to hold all private information. Give up It. 7. Your kids need a dad with a plan doe a room and burgers. Pride is worthless. Become a social worker and save 50 percent of your student loans for six years.

  Best wishes man,

Re: Ask HN: How do I escape homelessness after rebuilding my mental health?

#44
Here's my thoughts, as I've been through this several times--

1. I really believe that you need housing. Spending on motels and office space is counterproductive. (But many folks who need showers and hygiene will register for a gym membership, or use a municipal rec center.)

2. Figure out whether you're part of a special population, or have any distinguishing qualities, that would match you with a particular program. You are confident about your mental health, but would a psychiatrist award you a diagnosis?

3. HUD Section 8 funds regional and municipal programs, and also programs for "chronically homeless" folks. Familiarize yourself with entry-points into this. There are waiting lists, and they're long. Figure out how to get notified when a waiting list opens and apply online--Internet-savvy users are a step-ahead of the hoi polloi.

4. Keep all your paperwork in order. I hope you're filing taxes and tracking your income/expenses. I hope you've got a bank account. If you work with any entitlement program then you'll need to pull out that documentation when it's requested. Libraries have printers, and your cloud/email account has online storage. Organize everything and back it up.

5. You'll find social-services networks that blanket communities with services, and you may need to travel a lot between agencies during the work-day hours. You can get fed at soup kitchens or in public parks or at a church with no questions asked, but they may preach at you and invite you to accept Jesus as true food... unfortunately, programs for employment development are ill-equipped to deal with IT professionals and certified high-tech workers, because those careers are expensive, and blue-collar types have difficulty being accepted to company cultures. Get assistance to polish your résumé and print it out, because job development program may send you to job fairs and provide listings for blue-collar work, but they can also provide useful coaching and support for your job search and disability-related concerns, before, during and after the hiring process.

6. I have also seen agencies that will take in people and have a lot of services on-site. The central homeless shelter does this in my area, and also facilities for the disabled. Just because you have a car, you can still stay in a shelter. This may be a "bunking only" arrangement where you need to leave the premises during the daytime. Seems like a great fit!

7. In a nutshell, while it feels good to have freedom and feel like a professional #vanlife worker, if you want to rebuild your life, you will find yourself going where homeless street people go to do this. Your clinic, shelters, rec centers, and libraries will have postings and representatives to help you navigate. Sticking around, returning on a regular basis, and abiding by program rules will determine your potential for success.

Re: Ask HN: How do I escape homelessness after rebuilding my mental health?

#45

> Through therapy, ketamine treatment, and building my own AI-assisted mental health tools Those do not sound like a pathway to mental health. > staying in cheap motels when I can afford it. From what you've said you clearly can't afford it. > What would YOU do in my situation to break the cycle? Get a regular job. It's going to feel like a giant step backwards, but, this is what you need right now. You need to stabi…

> Those do not sound like a pathway to mental health. If you don’t consider therapy a pathway to mental health I’m not sure what could be

"Therapy" and "going to therapy" are actually two different things. I don't read this as someone putting in the work, I read this as someone attempting to check the right boxes, and life simply does not work that way.

Re: Ask HN: How do I escape homelessness after rebuilding my mental health?

#46

> Through therapy, ketamine treatment, and building my own AI-assisted mental health tools Those do not sound like a pathway to mental health. > staying in cheap motels when I can afford it. From what you've said you clearly can't afford it. > What would YOU do in my situation to break the cycle? Get a regular job. It's going to feel like a giant step backwards, but, this is what you need right now. You need to stabi…

>We go through all of the above to finally out with the fact you have dependents

>We go through all of the above

I'm awfully sorry, but what the hell of the above did you go through just now? Reading a post about a situation?

Some damn empaths we have here, mind.

(FWIW, I stopped reading at "ChatGPT".)

Re: Ask HN: How do I escape homelessness after rebuilding my mental health?

#47
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the hardest advice I've received was to find what you are still hanging on to that is preventing change and let it go. in that spirit: you don't have shelter. I would say you have nothing to offer your kids right now except your emotional need. their mother (or whoever) can take care of them. you're out, done, kaput. accept the failure and earn their forgiveness sometime the future if you are lucky, not now. the beli…

Hopefully it's obvious, but cutting yourself out of your remaining social connections is not good advice. I don't understand what this is supposed to gain you, but it's obviously not worth it, for you or your kids. Also sounds like you should not get rid of your PC, unless it helps you acquire a laptop. > this is the harshest advice I can think of Good job. Did you stop to think if this was -good- advice?

a man's dependent children are not his "social connections." whether my scenario is the correct path or not, I'd repeat that considering this is what other advice should be seen in light of.

however, if you want to drill down on it: what is a guy going to do with a pc he needs secure shelter to operate? what kind of decisions is he going to make that protect it? what kind of promises is he going to make and break to his kids when he can't take care of himself?

if they're indeed safe somewhere, get into a position with something to provide. it would be smarter to sell the pc and buy a guitar as at least he can busk with it.

Re: Ask HN: How do I escape homelessness after rebuilding my mental health?

#49
First of all I'm sorry to hear about the loss of your mother and grandmother. Losing one relative is hard enough, but losing another and then experiencing a separation is quite a lot to go through.

In your spare time, it may be good to visit the Switchpoint center to help get their advice and support:

https://switchpointcrc.org 948 N 1300 W, St. George, UT 84770

With regards to the $890 you would pay to continue driving the car you use to work as a cab driver for Lyft/Uber, I would ask:

- The $400 for tyres - there are 20+ tyre shops in St George, Utah. Which tyre shop did you visit in St George for your quote? It might be possible to get a better deal. I don't know, but it's possible. If you google "Tyre shop St George. Utah", you will see the list of options there.

- With regards to the insurance, if there is a price comparison site in the US for insurance, try it out and see if you can reduce that amount. I know in the UK there is comparethemarket.com and gocompare.com as examples, so I presume that there has to be something like that in the US?

I would ask "how much do you make weekly doing this job?" alongside "how much are your weekly expenses?" to help workout your income and outgoings to work out how sustainable your current situation is, and where changes can be applied to make it not just sustainable, but actually getting you to a place where you are good.

In terms of programming, what are your skills like?, what programming have you/are you doing? Do you have a GitHub profile where you have code that you can show to people?

If you are programming right now, then it might not be necessary to go and attend classes in school/college/university to study this subject. I can confirm that from 1st-hand experience. I studied a course in University in the UK that was a mixture of Business and Mathematics, but I ended up becoming a software developer.

What programming languages/apps/tools/frameworks are you familiar with?

It may be enough to sit down at a job interview, ask someone to pair program with you on a coding scenario, and demonstrate your capabilities right there and then. If the time allows.

In terms of finding local programming jobs, that will require searching for those.

Also, if you have a desktop computer, like others have suggested in the HackerNews thread, having a laptop will be far easier. See if you can find options to exchange the desktop for a laptop computer - donations, part exchange, part-payment anything. The mobility will enable you to be more mobile and suit you.

Lastly, you mentioned Ketamine. Please be careful because that is a very addictive substance and in the UK recently a public figure by the name of "the Viviene" died from consuming it.

Lastly, I hope that for your case that you manage to get to a better place. Life is a journey and not necessarily a smooth one - we hope for better times, but you can't rely on hope to gift you that - you have to strive for it.

I will leave you with one of the most inspirational talks I've ever watched - Jim Carrey's commencement speech at the Maharishi International University of Management class: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYAk295MZZM

Re: Ask HN: How do I escape homelessness after rebuilding my mental health?

#50
I dropped out of school and after a series of events, found myself living out of a broken-down car on the other side of the country with no money and two credit cards that I promptly cut up. I spent a couple weeks unemployed and then worked fast food until I had enough to afford a room in a shared house within walking distance to the restaurant. Showered in the local park every once in a while. Dumpster dove for food initially, at one point sucking down ketchup packets because I couldn't find anything else (protip: bakeries throw out enormous amounts of slightly stale but perfectly edible stuff). But working fast food is nice because at least you can grab some stray fries or something.

Once you have shelter and you're committed to saving more than you spend (again, working in food industry is beneficial there because free food), you can start taking on more jobs and slowly work your way out.

I also had decent coding skills at the time, but never got a job out of it. So don't put too much of your hopes on that. I got a couple responses from job ads, but never even got to the interview stage without a degree.

Eventually (two years) I managed to get to the point where I could work and go to school at the same time (with the help of student aid), and subsequently got a degree and a real job. But the whole time it's all about minimizing expenses as much as possible.

You mention inheritance. I recommend putting all that away in some investment and not touching it. Not because the investment is going to be worth a ton in the future, but because doing so will help build the financial discipline you'll need to get through these times.

Ultimately, digging out rests on stability and savings more than anything else. Find a job with reasonably stable income (maybe uber is fine? it wasn't an option back when I did this), and save every penny that you can. Then you can start planning realistically for the future. The hardest part may be kids; I'm sure it's tempting to spend everything you have on them, and these days even the cost of gas to visit them may be more than you should be spending regularly. At least budget (strictly!) the number of miles you drive outside of work; that money adds up. But get a handle on your budget and spend less than you make. That's the only way out.

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