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Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

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Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

#41

Orion uses webkit, not sponsored by ad revenue

Sadly no linux support :-(

GNOME Web (formerly Epiphany) is also based on Webkit: https://apps.gnome.org/Epiphany/

Though I guess it's not extensible so you'll have to get some other way to block ads.

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

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The rhetoric around Firefox is so exhausting. They change some wording while having made no actual technical changes to the browser and the internet is on fire for days calling them the devil incarnate, meanwhile Chrome gutted uBlock and other extensions a week ago and there was barely any noise about it. What causes this phenomenon where the project with significantly less resources is held to a higher standard than…

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Mozilla revenue in 2014, the year eich was made ceo: $329.6M

Mozilla revenue in 2015, having “gone woke” and fired him: $421.3M

Go woke go earn 28% more, i guess?

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

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post #32
post #18

The rhetoric around Firefox is so exhausting. They change some wording while having made no actual technical changes to the browser and the internet is on fire for days calling them the devil incarnate, meanwhile Chrome gutted uBlock and other extensions a week ago and there was barely any noise about it. What causes this phenomenon where the project with significantly less resources is held to a higher standard than…

From long experience we expect Google and hence Chrome to act against our interests. We have not expected that of Mozilla and Firefox. Google did give us a lot of warning that they would greatly restrict ad-blocking and tracker-blocking, so most of that angst has already been and gone.

But firefox always was a monopoly figleave sockpuppet - and now they do not need it anymore, so firefox either finds a new purpose (doing what it promised) or it tries to sell out in one final scam.

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

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post #18

The rhetoric around Firefox is so exhausting. They change some wording while having made no actual technical changes to the browser and the internet is on fire for days calling them the devil incarnate, meanwhile Chrome gutted uBlock and other extensions a week ago and there was barely any noise about it. What causes this phenomenon where the project with significantly less resources is held to a higher standard than…

> meanwhile Chrome gutted uBlock and other extensions a week ago and there was barely any noise about it

Because anyone who cared knew this was coming in the near future after they published manifest v3 several years ago. Back then there was a huge kerfuffle, but since then anyone who cared has moved on.

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

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post #18

The rhetoric around Firefox is so exhausting. They change some wording while having made no actual technical changes to the browser and the internet is on fire for days calling them the devil incarnate, meanwhile Chrome gutted uBlock and other extensions a week ago and there was barely any noise about it. What causes this phenomenon where the project with significantly less resources is held to a higher standard than…

> What causes this phenomenon where the project with significantly less resources is held to a higher standard than the other players? Hm, my lived experience is the inverse, and both seem sort of important to talk about. We've been hearing about Chrome implementing the same privacy protections as Safari as a transgression for years, years, and years, as it was delayed again and again. It was ex-Mozilla people who br…

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Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

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There's mozilla free versions of firefox, additionally there's ladybird browser in the brewing.

You seem to be the only one mentioning this. And I think it is important to stress.

Browser engines[1] are hard to get right. But not impossible.

Google did a great job with the Blink engine. So much so that even Microsoft caved in and is using it now. So Chrome-ish might seem the better option.

So should we cry that Mozilla is imploding under years of bad leadership? Yes! They are the main driver behind Gecko engine and it will likely suffer for it over time.

The good news is that we like with chrome-ish (blink based) browsers (such as Thorium) have a number of options. Librewolf, Waterfox and Floorp are all nice and usable cross platform implementations using the Gecko engine. On your Android device you can stay on Gecko with Waterfox or IronWolf.

Gecko will not implode from one day to another even if Mozilla does. And even if Mozilla does then maybe the community can pick up the pieces. But it will be a tough job.

There is then a risk of monopoly which is never good. It is then very positive as you state that Ladybird is getting velocity[2]. They target alpha in 2026, beta in 2027 with general release in 2028. This is seriously good news which cannot be understated. We have hope! People who care should really follow Andreas updates on Youtube[3]. So while 2028 seems far away you will see that they have already gotten very far and have a good trajectory.

A few years ago when Microsoft gave up and went with Blink I was really worried as Mozilla has been in a downwards spiral for years. But Ladybird (and by extension LibWeb) gives me reason for optimism.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_browser_engines [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladybird_(web_browser) [3] https://www.youtube.com/@LadybirdBrowser/videos

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Mozilla revenue in 2014, the year eich was made ceo: $329.6M Mozilla revenue in 2015, having “gone woke” and fired him: $421.3M Go woke go earn 28% more, i guess?

And.. where does the revenue come from?

Nearly all increase is from Google and their deal with them, a deal that was done before Brendan became CEO. So the revenue would increase no matter who became CEO.

Re: Ask HN: With trust in Firefox gone, is Chrome-ish the only option?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the conclusion was that they had to remove that for legal reasons, since technically they were already doing something that could be considered selling data.

So. Maybe they should stop doing that thing?

That's the line they were unwilling to cross, to compromise their ad tech. Apparently, however anonymous it may be, it's still legally selling user data.
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