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Ask HN: What's with flagging articles criticizing Musk?

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Re: Ask HN: What's with flagging articles criticizing Musk?

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Post by pvg »

jacquesm wrote: post #35
pvg wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With no undue disrespect, you just got here. Might want to give it a bit of time so the working part makes more sense. You haven't as much as responded to anything written here beside repeating the same somewhat unclear and seemingly inaccurate thing (there is current events political discussion on HN right this second) over and over.

I've come out of self imposed retirement from the shitshow that this site has become just to point out that how long you have been here doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on the quality of your contribution. OP is right in that HN uses the 'it's been flagged' excuse to avoid facing some very uncomfortable truths, and that is fractionally why the world is currently being destabilized to a degree that we have not seen…

I has a lot to do with the quality of your contribution if your contribution is telling others how the site works. It's complicated and full of written and unwritten conventions. It takes a while to figure out. Of course new users and their new perspectives deserve a hearing but the perspective here seems to be 'I don't like this' and the argument supporting it appears to be simply repetition while remaining entirely unresponsive to any counterpoints. Maybe I missed it but I really see no evidence the person I'm talking to as much as looked at any of the linked stuff or made much of an effort to formulate some kind of response.

Re: Ask HN: What's with flagging articles criticizing Musk?

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Post by pvg »

jacquesm wrote: post #40
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how long you have been here doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on the quality of your contribution. Perhaps not. But a 22-day-old account saying, over and over, "this site should be something else" is... a bit tone-deaf? A bit presumptuous? You don't show up in our community and immediately tell us that the whole purpose of our community should be what you demand. ("You" meaning zfg, not jacquesm.)

Fair but I don't think account age should be left isolated when discussing these things and saying 'you just showed up' for a genuine - and frankly, long overdue - discussion on a pretty pressing issue is out of place if we are supposed to be the 'better alternative'. The time for sticking our fingers in our ears and pretending everything is great is long past and given HN's own issues with finding the balance betwee…

You're welcome to agree with zfg's point and argue its merits. They certainly haven't so that might be an improvement. Dismissing mine as 'pulling rank' is just rude and lame. I've engaged with this person over a whole bunch of comments, I've tried to be clear and reasonably polite. I certainly didn't expect you to 'come of out retirement' to be a jerk to me - it doesn't seem worth it beside being totally out of line.

Re: Ask HN: What's with flagging articles criticizing Musk?

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Post by chairmansteve »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #24
zfg wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's not in "some" way connected. It's now explicitly and directly connected. You can't look the other way anymore.

Maybe so. But I still don't have to talk about it here . There's lots of places to talk about politics, and Musk, ad nauseum. HN is supposed to be about something else. Politics may be destroying a large number of things right now; I don't want it to destroy this site too.

"But I still don't have to talk about it here".

But you repeatedly do...

Re: Ask HN: What's with flagging articles criticizing Musk?

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Post by zfg »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #38
jacquesm wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've come out of self imposed retirement from the shitshow that this site has become just to point out that how long you have been here doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on the quality of your contribution. OP is right in that HN uses the 'it's been flagged' excuse to avoid facing some very uncomfortable truths, and that is fractionally why the world is currently being destabilized to a degree that we have not seen…

> how long you have been here doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on the quality of your contribution. Perhaps not. But a 22-day-old account saying, over and over, "this site should be something else" is... a bit tone-deaf? A bit presumptuous? You don't show up in our community and immediately tell us that the whole purpose of our community should be what you demand. ("You" meaning zfg, not jacquesm.)

> our community

It's as much mine as it is yours.

Re: Ask HN: What's with flagging articles criticizing Musk?

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Post by zfg »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #37
zfg wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Politics is a major part of the tech industry now. It's what it has become. Building any kind of ethical framework for hardware and software engineering necessitates looking at the ugly side. If Hacker News is genuinely not up to that then it's falling short.

It may be falling short of what you think it should be. A bunch of the rest of us don't think that, though. You may feel strongly about what you think we should do, but you don't get to tell the rest of us what the site should be about. You don't get to tear up the community guidelines and write your own. Let HN be what it is. If that doesn't match what you want, go find somewhere else that does.

> Let HN be what it is.

I will not let it be dishonest.

Re: Ask HN: What's with flagging articles criticizing Musk?

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Post by zfg »

pvg wrote: post #33
zfg wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

With no undue disrespect, you just got here. Might want to give it a bit of time so the working part makes more sense. You haven't as much as responded to anything written here beside repeating the same somewhat unclear and seemingly inaccurate thing (there is current events political discussion on HN right this second) over and over.

> you just got here.

Yes, you do need my perspective.

Re: Ask HN: What's with flagging articles criticizing Musk?

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Post by tptacek »

jacquesm wrote: post #35
pvg wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With no undue disrespect, you just got here. Might want to give it a bit of time so the working part makes more sense. You haven't as much as responded to anything written here beside repeating the same somewhat unclear and seemingly inaccurate thing (there is current events political discussion on HN right this second) over and over.

I've come out of self imposed retirement from the shitshow that this site has become just to point out that how long you have been here doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on the quality of your contribution. OP is right in that HN uses the 'it's been flagged' excuse to avoid facing some very uncomfortable truths, and that is fractionally why the world is currently being destabilized to a degree that we have not seen…

Whatever that fraction was, it is a small one indeed. Sir, this is a Wendy's.

Re: Ask HN: What's with flagging articles criticizing Musk?

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Post by jacquesm »

tptacek wrote: post #47
jacquesm wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've come out of self imposed retirement from the shitshow that this site has become just to point out that how long you have been here doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on the quality of your contribution. OP is right in that HN uses the 'it's been flagged' excuse to avoid facing some very uncomfortable truths, and that is fractionally why the world is currently being destabilized to a degree that we have not seen…

Whatever that fraction was, it is a small one indeed. Sir, this is a Wendy's.

You'd hope so. But I'm not convinced it is without a lot more research, HN and by extension YC have made a pretty big mark on the tech world so there is a fair chance that the negative influence (or what could have been positive influence) is outsized as well. Keep in mind that many billions of $ have passed through the hands of the people on this forum.

Re: Ask HN: What's with flagging articles criticizing Musk?

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Post by dang »

zfg wrote: post #11
mikequinlan wrote: post #7

Hacker News Guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic."

So much of the tech industry is now precisely about politics and power. Hacker News cannot be afraid to look at it, cannot run away from it, and, if you're part of the tech industry, must take responsibility for it.

Note those words most and probably.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4922426

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